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hi everyone... im from Miami, and we recently went to PV mexico in Dec 2006 and purchased a timeshare there... We have had endless amounts of trouble, and suspicions about the legality of this all and we were wondering if anyone has ever heard of this place or if there is anyone that has bought a timeshare here recently... we bought it pre construction, and through all the research weve found nothing seems to add up right... if anyone can let me know anything i would greatly appreciate it... here is their website for refrence...

www.belairevacationclub.com
 

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hi everyone... im from Miami, and we recently went to PV mexico in Dec 2006 and purchased a timeshare there... We have had endless amounts of trouble, and suspicions about the legality of this all and we were wondering if anyone has ever heard of this place or if there is anyone that has bought a timeshare here recently... we bought it pre construction, and through all the research weve found nothing seems to add up right... if anyone can let me know anything i would greatly appreciate it... here is their website for refrence...

www.belairevacationclub.com
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So, you expect us to believe that you would sink thousands of dollars into a new venture that you knew very little about? Call me skeptical but this looks a little like an advertisement. I'll apologize if proven wrong.

Where did you meet the salespeople for the "presentation"? Were they using a local hotel? Any incentives? How much were the units selling for?

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It doesn't look like an ad to me. If I were posting an ad, I wouldn't use language that casts significant doubt about whether the timeshare project is viable.

It looks to me as though the OP is seeking help rather than an accusation.
 

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As I said above it "looks a little like an advertisement". I could very easily be wrong. Has anyone had any experience with this company? Please forgive me if I'm off-base.

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trust me... its not the ladder... i am only 20 yrs old and was a bit naive about how things work outside the US... i read the contract and everything seems great... but the contract can have everything perfect and they could just pick up and leave... and NO i would no advocate anyone buying from these people... i just put the site up so people can have an idea what i was talking about.... the incentive was we would just go and listen to them, and then get 300 dollars... this was held at the site where the construction was already underway... so we thought....the units were going for $17,000 to $100,000.. the contract has Interval International all over it, and theyre not affiliated with them.. they were going to be initially... but they never finished talks... isnt this grounds for me getting my money back... i dont really trust the justice system in Mexico (and thats coming from a mexican) so dont bash me... Mordidas is the law of the land over there... something i didnt realize until now.... NEVER BUY A TIMESHARE IN MEXICO... its not worth it..
 

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trust me... its not the ladder... i am only 20 yrs old and was a bit naive about how things work outside the US... i read the contract and everything seems great... but the contract can have everything perfect and they could just pick up and leave... and NO i would no advocate anyone buying from these people... i just put the site up so people can have an idea what i was talking about.... the incentive was we would just go and listen to them, and then get 300 dollars... this was held at the site where the construction was already underway... so we thought....the units were going for $17,000 to $100,000.. the contract has Interval International all over it, and theyre not affiliated with them.. they were going to be initially... but they never finished talks... isnt this grounds for me getting my money back... i dont really trust the justice system in Mexico (and thats coming from a mexican) so dont bash me... Mordidas is the law of the land over there... something i didnt realize until now.... NEVER BUY A TIMESHARE IN MEXICO... its not worth it..

Dear killaseason23,
Welcome to TUG and I want to apologize for jumping to the conclusion that your post "looked a little" like an ad. Many of the folks on this BBS have gone through exactly the same thing. Some have gotten their money back too. Follow the links in the post above and go for a refund. It won't be easy but it is possible. Here's another link http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30391&highlight=rescind

Best wishes,
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Yes, I attended the presentation. What made you seem to think that it was not legitimate? It was a very luxuriuos place. Although we did not buy, I thought that it looked good. Why are you worried about it??
 

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We also purchased pre-construction membership in this resort and have no information for owners. They do now have some photos of phase11 construction on their web site, but no instructions as to how to access the owners link. we're starting to worry - have we been scammed?
Your thoughts?

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I left a message for Dorota requesting information for 2008 exchange travel and spoke with Marcos, who was not in the office at the time. He says he will contact me tomorrow morning and get a "Welcome Package" expedited out to me.

I'll be sure to call them mid-day if I don't hear back, as well as report here. It's comforting to know that the same people are there that were back in May.

Wish me luck!
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Steve,

if you actually receive something, i'll be anxious for news of it and where did you find a live person to talk to. i have tried all the numbers given to us and got no response. sounds like you're having better luck.

i'll be waiting to hear, maybe things are looking up.

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jeanbean,

I called the number on the website - (866) 438-1448

Some news... I received a message back from Dorota this morning. She claims they will be sending a newsletter to the members this week and that they have not yet completed their final documentation, website, phone lines, etc., which will "probably be before the end of the year, latest." They don't want to provide incomplete information before then.

That is a little contradictory to what Marcos said yesterday, so I plan on calling him if I don't hear from him in the next two hours.

I'm hoping everything is fine and its all just going a bit slower than we had been told initially. The models were beautiful and I am looking forward to visiting Puerto Vallarta quite often once it is ready for occupancy.

I do intend on continuing to follow up until I can get some solid answers. For example, I was told Belaire would be a part of the Registry Collection. Right now I cannot confirm that. They did show me other residence clubs books that we could potentially trade into, but foolishly I did not write any of those down and cannot remember.

jeanbean, what info do you have on that from your visit?
 

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I spoke with Dorota this afternoon. She stated again that materials should be out to us before the end of this year and that a member newsletter will be going out in the next week or so. She said the construction completion date is expected to be Jan 2009.

I asked about an exchange company and she said they would be with the Registry Collection. A quick call to the Registry Collection confirmed that they are currently in talks, though nothing is finalized. To clarify, the rep said that Belaire expects to be a member of RC, and RC expects Belaire to be a member. The question now is how are we supposed to use our 2008 weeks if there is no inventory at Belaire to trade.

More news as it happens.
 

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So, you expect us to believe that you would sink thousands of dollars into a new venture that you knew very little about?

Geesh, Phil- Where ya been? That's all we read about here.:wall:
 

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Newsletter emailed out

They sent out an email with a nice, informative newsletter attached, as promised. The body of the email (not the newsletter) is below. :whoopie:
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Dear Private Residence Club Members

We are proud to inform you that our fabulous project of Belaire Golf Resort & Spa has already started.

We broke ground on the 10th of October, our first photographs from the work site can be seen on our web site www.belairevacationclub.com
Please see our “PRESS & NEWS” section. We will be continually updating the web site with our progress and we hope you will enjoy this feature.

With this e-mail we would like to share with you our very first NEWSLETTER, we have attached it for your viewing.

Future news letters will be sent out quarterly with more News from Belaire in sunny Puerto Vallarta.
_____________________________
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By looking at the map it looks like this resort will be right by the airport. Yes? Might be a little noisy.


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Steve;

Thanks for the info, glad to see someone is receiving something. Yes, we sank a ton of money in this resort, because I wanted to reside in Vallarta permanently and because of my husbands health problems, it was not feasible to do so. This was a alternative, more flexible, without the responsiblity of maintaining a permanent residence. We have been residing there for 6 to 8 wks. for the last 4 yrs. The Belaire sounded great for us. It has just been a little shady about how the whole thing is revolving, compared to what we were told at purchase time. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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I am in a effort to be fair I am trying to explain some of the pros‘s and cons on our experience with the Bellaire.

I am not trying to tell anyone else to buy or not to buy, but just to put it briefly as possible to let you know what we experienced and learned this past September 2007.

We were down in PV on our anniversary staying in a resort we have interest in through a ownership in a differant vacation Club. We had always before gone to PV during New Years but had not been to PV for about 3 years.

We rescinded on a Bellaire Club trial package (and not a Full Club ownership) for 10 weeks mainly for the following reason the third day after signing and after having paid in full for slightly under $6,000 for 10 weeks usage at the Belaire or to the supposedly other high end resorts in that registry.

The formal name on our contract was “Contract of Purchase-Presale of a Membership entered by World Resorts Marketing Enterprises S.de R.L. de C.V. on Behalf of Belaire Golf & Spa and:

Later we noticed in reading over our paperwork this item
Quote “Article 5.2 “Quote Upon the dissolution of the Club, its assets, which DO NOT INCLUDE THE REAL PROPERTY, LAND OR BUILDINGS of the resort will be distributed to the members of the Club” Unquote

Excuse me but IMHO the buildings and land IMHO would be about 95% of the assets inherit value and the contents etc as a worsr case situation might require a special assessment to get rid of them.

If not for the terms of that Article 5.2 we might have not rescinded. If they changed that clause and offered a far smaller Trail package membership to test out and see if our expectations of what we were told were meet, we might still consider that type of smaller package.

I do not know if the non presale package regular Membership has the same clause in it as ours did.

If it does then the Regular Club Membership agreement IMHO does not seemingly offer much encouragement of getting much of your money back if as per Article 5.2 if the Club is dissolved.

The paperwork did not explain on how or what was needed to dislove the Club. We found that to be unsettling.

One reason Article 5.2 made us leery was that the Belaire spokespeople had made a big deal about pointing out the guaranteed completion bond that they said that they had to put up, but did not say anything about if the Club was sold or dissolved which we both found unsettling . It was in the paperwork.

Marcos was also our salesperson and he was very, very good and very professional and no high pressure tactics were used on us. This is the only time that we would have bought from a developer after having bought 50 resale timeshares, so that tells you how good he must be and how impressed we were with the one and only display unit that they had.

Of course he was :annoyed: unhappy that we cancelled and asked us to stop back in. We stopped out to give him our rescission the day after first sending copies of that same rescission by certified mail from a Puerto Vallarta post office that required a signature.

I had found out the next day after signing from another source that he had worked as a trainer the Mayan Palace Group in sales and in other areas. That concerned us a bit.

But he was one of the most professionally impressive timeshare sales people I have ever meet. After we rescinded he did mention that he did not think much of my writing skills after looking at our rescission paperwork that I had handed directly to him.

Dorota to her credit removed the charges from our credit card one day earlier than she said she would. We had paid in full for all 10 weeks. So that is a positive IMHO for their company IMHO.

The unit was very impressive and is by a golf course. It is one of the most impressive units we have seen in about 8 years of timesharing. The amenities service was after thinking about it for a couple of days IMHO was going to be over the top for the cost per week of under $600. That $600 would have been even lower if we would have cancelled our rescission as Marcos tried to get us to do with the few more incentives that he offered us.

One amenity was seeing that the resort's units were not on the resorts ocean frontage so you were supposely to have your own personal cart to drive over there. They are supposedly going to have 7 chefs.

The one unit they did have was quite something with unit divider moveable walls, personal pools and everything was over the top in regards to eye appeal, etc.

Like I said I am not casting aspersions on the integrity of the ownership. But ownerships lately in these past few years can change owners fairly quickly , etc and that

“Article 5.2 “Quote Upon the dissolution of the Club, its assets, which DO NOT INCLUDE THE REAL PROPERTY, LAND OR BUILDINGS of the resort will be distributed to the members of the Club” Unquote

is the clause that we were not happy with for the reasons previously explained in regard to protectuing our capitial.

I wonder about apparent coincidences.

I could not help note that after the OP’s first posting date 2 new posters who joined the BBS after the OP’s first post joined the Bellaire discussion.

I see that all of their posts only concern the Bellaire and updates on the progress the Bellaire may be making as per resort news letter. I hope things work out for all three of you and welcome to Tug.

I hope most of you found my post of some information value.

I my self will be checking from time to time over the next year or so to see when the units are finally completed and being used by the Club members.

I do wish the buyers and the resort developers good luck.

Bruce :D
 
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We went to a timeshare presentation there last Feb and I thought the place was spectatular! However, we didn't like it not being on the ocean and we don't golf and we have a lot of other P.V. weeks that we like. We also had Marcos as our salesman and he was very polite and courteous to us, not very high pressure (well, only a little!) but not rude. And, yes, he was a salesman for The Grand Mayan and sold a unit to my girlfriend a few years before so we told him we had met him when she bought from him, so maybe that was why he was pretty nice to us. Anyway, I hope the place turns out as nice as it looked to us then. If so, I think the people who buy there will be very happy and lucky to own there. I'd offer to do a review next Feb when we go there but I don't want to go through another presentation and don't know if I can get on the property without doing one but I will try. If I can go scout around I'll let you know what it looks like now.
 

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We went to a timeshare presentation there last Feb and I thought the place was spectatular! However, we didn't like it not being on the ocean and we don't golf and we have a lot of other P.V. weeks that we like. We also had Marcos as our salesman and he was very polite and courteous to us, not very high pressure (well, only a little!) but not rude. <snip>
I'd offer to do a review next Feb when we go there but I don't want to go through another presentation and don't know if I can get on the property without doing one but I will try. If I can go scout around I'll let you know what it looks like now.

The place, models at least, are the nicest we've ever seen. We always stay right on the beach too, as we own with Pueblo Bonito, but this just seemed like the right thing to do, even knowing about the resale market. We spent an extreme amount of time there, saying no, no, no, no, no, until the offer fit us just right. And they claim they will have a "Beach Club" which is a short stroll from the resort. The other RC Resorts look very nice as well. Marcos was a hoot!

It would be great if you could stop at the site and give us an update and some photos!

I am in a effort to be fair I am trying to explain some of the pros‘s and cons on our experience with the Bellaire.
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I could not help note that after the OP’s first posting date 2 new posters who joined the BBS after the OP’s first post joined the Bellaire discussion.
I see that all of their posts only concern the Bellaire and updates on the progress the Bellaire may be making as per resort news letter. I hope things work out for all three of you and welcome to Tug.

I hope most of you found my post of some information value.
I do wish the buyers and the resort developers good luck.
Bruce :D

Bruce, thanks for your informative post and the wish of good luck. I'll have to re-read our contract to see if they changed anything between our visits. I have been lurking on these boards for quite some time and did sign up specifically to post on this thread. I do find MOST of the information on TUGBBS very good.

By looking at the map it looks like this resort will be right by the airport. Yes? Might be a little noisy.
Phil

Yes, it is very close, though I don't remember noticing any related noise the hours we were there. Don't think it's a deal breaker.

Steve;

Thanks for the info, glad to see someone is receiving something. Yes, we sank a ton of money in this resort, because I wanted to reside in Vallarta permanently and because of my husbands health problems, it was not feasible to do so. This was a alternative, more flexible, without the responsiblity of maintaining a permanent residence. We have been residing there for 6 to 8 wks. for the last 4 yrs. The Belaire sounded great for us. It has just been a little shady about how the whole thing is revolving, compared to what we were told at purchase time. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.
jeanbean

I'm confident there is light. A badly translated, but informative update was posted on IDOM's site Friday...
http://www.idom.es/noticias.php?id_sec=37&lang=I#109
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Steve, the concept pictures are nice but do you know when the first part is to be ready to be used?

You might find this interesting that Marcos mentioned to us one of the developer's investors was from your city of Las Vegas. That IMHO is not surprising seeing there seems to be a lot of big money investors in Las Vegas.

We reallylike our 3 Club 2 bedroom Ownerships that give us direct access to the (older) ocean front Lindo Mar in Puerto Vallarta that we bought this year.

On our first ownership we had the seller book a 2008 week 8 at the Lindo Mar for our dauther and son-in-laws use.

As I said before I might be interested down the road if the Bellaire had a smaller sampler package but seeing we have 30 ownerships that give us over 100 weeks a year I doubt we wouls actively persue getting a " smaller sampler type package" at this time unless we were somehow contacted.

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We also cancelled our purchase

of the presale package.

Our salesman was Andre, he was fine, but after looking over all the package, it just seemed wrong.

The old adage if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is :eek:

The deal they offered us was an Excutive suite ( Studio) for 1/12 of the year( 4 weeks per year) for 100 years or 400 weeks, with NO annual fees ( forever) and the ability to use weeks off the bottom towards air tix, or anything with them paying $2000 to us for each week.

Then, in 2 years they would buy the unit back for 75% of the then value ( their estimated value was $300K) giving is $225K back for our $120K investment. :confused:

Or at 5 years 100% of our purchase price and 50% of the weeks that were unused out of the 400.:rolleyes:

They also guaranteed to rent any weeks we wanted to rent for a $2k net and send us the money.

It just smelled wrong.

How can you buy $800K worth of rental weeks for $120 and have no annual cost?? :annoyed:

I did a search and found lots of whole ownership condos in the area, on the ocean, for under $500K, the total value of this unit at $120K per 1/12 would be $1,440,000 us dollars.

Plus the extra 4 weeks a year that would be sold as per their plan.

Anyway, we enjoyed their $4000 pesos and the mini breakfast, but in my opinion, I would never advise anyone to purchase this project.

fwiw, Greg
 

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We were one of the first purchasers at The Belaire and we were feeling a little uneasy from the start. Our attitude was "if this works out the way it is supposed to work out, then we have made a great decision".
If it doesn't work out, we've been foolish but can still buy groceries tomorrow.
Being in the real estate industry, I am aware that there are great deals to be made prior to construction and we are hoping this is one of them.
We will be going to PV on Dec. 14 for one week and will report back after that time. We were down there in July and the showhome was drop dead gorgeous. Antonio was still running the show and very optimistic about everything.
 

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we recently came back from puero vallarta where we saw a resort called belarie golf and spa resorts and we must say its was a amazing property. They are still in the building stages but they showed us all there websites. www.idom.com and they treated us wonderful. my wife is still amazed at the unit !!! Was worth every penni! If you attend this presentation you will be amazed ..i assure you on this . The best product i have seen ..In my opinion.
A young man by the name of jonathan was our contact there.
 
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