[2009] Lodges Timeshare at Horseshoe

[rjp123]

Gong show.

[Maple_Leaf]

The local newspaper compares the Horseshoe Resort developer, Skyline, to Wall Street bankers kicking around the little guy and makes a final reference to an occupation of Horseshoe. I guess the timeshare owners and their supporters would have to pitch their tents and occupy 4th Line Park.

[Ironwood]

Originally Posted by Maple_Leaf

The local newspaper I guess the timeshare owners and their supporters would have to pitch their tents and occupy 4th Line Park.

It is scandalous what Skyline is doing to the Lodges owners...and of course a concern to us owners of TS units in Carriage Hills/Ridge complex which share the same grounds. But Maple Leaf, don't suggest a camp out on our beautiful new OMTC tennis courts! Lodges owners would best pitch their tents on the Horseshoe grounds where they would be more of a nuisance!

[CSB]

I am reluctant to post at this point because I am worried that people will take this the wrong way but.....

What I see here is a very unfortunate circumstance for the Lodges owners. More and more people were defaulting on the maintenance payments. That leaves two choices. The rest of the owners have to come up with more money to keep the resort up to standard or keep the maintenance the same and have the resort deteriorate further and further each year.

From Skyline's point of view they would probably have preferred no defaults and owners to maintain the building to high standards. But defaults happened and the remaining owners are unhappy and unable to make up for the cost of running the Lodges properly. Skyline is spending millions to make their resort a destination and they have a decision to make. Should they pay thousands of dollars to keep the Lodges running and allow the owners to pay a fraction of the cost? Why should they do that? From a business prospective, they would want to take over and keep the property they own looking good.

If you rent an apartment with 2 other people and then they leave, does the landlord expect you to come up with the rent money or do they take pity and eat the expense?

I am heart broken for the owners and I realize that I might be in the same position some day if Carriage Hills owners were to default on mass but I would not blame someone else for my circumstances.

[Maple_Leaf]

It looks like a group of owners at the Lodges at Horseshoe have formed the Timeshare Owners Association (TSOA) and have a new website. It appears the TSOA have retained an attorney and are pursuing litigation against Skyline and possibly the attorney that was involved in creation of the Minutes of Settlement. Current and former owners at the Lodges may want to read the news from the TSOA committee.

If you are a former owner of one or more weeks at Horseshoe and want further information on any civil (or criminal) action, you may want to contact the TSOA.

[Maple_Leaf]

The following is an update on the progress of the lawsuit against Skyline in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice by a bunch of former Lodges timesharers:

Applicants record to be delivered by March 16
Respondents record to be delivered by April 16
Case conference with Justice Campbell to be held by May 15, 2012

While the wheels of justice grind slowly, the Lodges building stands vacant, a silent monument to the folly of Ontario timesharing.

[rjp123]

A friend of mine bought a condo last weekend at their new condo development they are building at the bottom of the slopes.

[moonstone]

And probably paid way to much for it, just like friends of mine who bought at Carriage Hills when it was starting up. (ie; they bought from the developer).
~Diane

[rjp123]

The condo was $200k for 650 sqf, 1 bedroom, 1 parking, locker and balcony.

[CSB]

Just curious. Have the Lodges at Horseshoe gone through a renovation and now being sold as condos or have they built new condos at the bottom of the ski hill. I was there in December and didn't see any new buildings.

[rjp123]

Originally Posted by CSB

Just curious. Have the Lodges at Horseshoe gone through a renovation and now being sold as condos or have they built new condos at the bottom of the ski hill. I was there in December and didn't see any new buildings.

They are building new condos at the bottom of the hill.

http://www.horseshoevillage.com/copeland-house.html

[moonstone]

This article is in todays Orillia Packet & Times newspaper. http://www.orilliapacket.com/Article...aspx?e=3515169
Looks like the owners arent going away quietly. Court proceedings will take months -or more. Should be interesting.
~Diane

[Maple_Leaf]

There is some evidence that the Lodges timeshares are continuing to be used by Skyline as rentals, although apparently with limited maintenance of the units:

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowUserRe...ECK_RATES_CONT

“Not impressed!”

Reviewed 26 March 2012

It felt like I had entered the 80's! The room was spacious but very dated. Firstly, they did not have a second key to give me. I was waiting for friends to meet me and could not get into the room because another key was not available. There was still garbage left from the last occupants left on the balcony/sun room. The dishwasher leaked water all over the floor. We had to call the front desk for more towels, a lighter to light the fire and sugar for coffee in the morning. There were no sheets left for the pullout couch. The heat was not controlled well and was very noisy. On a positive side, the kitchen was well stocked and had a large fridge. The room was not worth $300 for one night. The best part was I had a great time catching up with friends. Apparantly they are beginning renovations at the resort which is badly needed.

Stayed March 2012, travelled with friends

[Maple_Leaf]

The above title was borrowed from a June 4 review of the Lodges on Tripadvisor. Based on this review and several others on TripAdvisor it appears Skyline is renting the Lodges units for about $300/night but they are not maintaining or cleaning the units on a regular basis. What a ripoff but, hey, that's Skyline!

[Ironwood]

Here's the link to Horseshoe's range of accomodation starting at $185/night. I would ask a lot of questions before booking the Valley Suite 2 Bedroom condos! Skyline may not be keeping all their units up to par, but at least the grounds are being well maintained! Anyone know how the new condo sales are going?


http://www.horseshoeresort.com/accommodations

[Maple_Leaf]

The Horseshoe Valley Timeshare Owners Association (HVTOA) is having a general meeting on Saturday, October 13 at 11:00 a.m. at the St. John's Presbyterian Church in Bradford, Ontario. Their attorney in the lawsuit against Skyline, Mark Arnold, will be in attendance to update all owners.

If you used to own at the Lodges at Horseshoe before Skyline terminated the timeshare then you may want to attend. Remember, the shysters at Skyline still owe us (former) owners our pro-rata share of the refurbishment fund. I am due a cheque from these crooks but am not holding my breath.

You can contact the HVTOA here.

[Maple_Leaf]

The last I heard, a judge was scheduled to hear the case against Skyline on December 19 at Commercial Court in Toronto, at 330 University Ave. If you are interested in attending, check the Commercial Court List early on Dec 19 here for the scheduled courtroom.

Make sure you check the website before attending because Skyline's clown-car brigade of lawyers are likely to try to pull some delaying tactics to postpone the hearing once again.

[Maple_Leaf]

The HVTSOA has announced that the court date has been moved to February 4, 2013 to allow time for settlement negotiations between Skyline and the owners.

[TUGBrian]

any update on this...looks like the court date was last month?

[moonstone]

Brian there was no court - it was changed to a case conference meeting as described here; http://lodgesathorseshoe.com/News.php. There has been nothing further in any of our local papers. It will be interesting to see what is the outcome when all is settled.
~Diane

[Maple_Leaf]

Originally Posted by TUGBrian

any update on this...looks like the court date was last month?

According to the owner website, it appears that a mediation session is scheduled for May 16 between the timeshare owners' lawyer and Skyline's lawyer. If an acceptable offer is put forward an owners vote may be required.

If mediation fails, a court date is set for July 29, 2013.