[2007] Gorilla Glue Strikes Again.

AwayWeGo · May 14, 2007

Now, Why Didn't I Think Of That?

The guy in the Gorilla Glue store (Black & Decker outlet in Rehoboth Beach DE) says store the bottle upside down. That way the hardened layer that gets crusted over is near the bottom of the bottle & the glue down at the tip end of the bottle remains fluid & squeezable.

I can only respond by smacking myself in the forehead & saying, "Duh!"

What a doofus for not thinking of that myself!

Meanwhile, over at the Home Depot store in Lewes DE right up the highway from Rehoboth Beach, there were 2 brands of Gorilla Glue on the shelf in containers of various sizes -- the original Gorilla Glue (the real mccoy) & the equivalent product from the Elmer's Glue company, both for the same price -- & no house brand or off-brand or generic brands of polyurethane glue -- not that there's anything wrong with those. So it goes. Next time I'll see what they have over at Lowe's.

Pronuncation Note : Folks from around there say it Lewis, Delaware -- not Lewz, Delaware. Who'd a-thunk?

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Jul 14, 2008

You Were Prescient About That.

Icarus said:
You need your own blog, Alan.

-David

You knew it before I did. Who'd a-thunk?

So now I've got 1, pre-fab, set up for me by my son, who also bought me the Internet domain name to go along with it -- Mox-Nix Dot Info.

So far, Mox Nix Blog consists exclusively of entries recycled from TUG-BBS. If you already read'm all here, you don't even need to bother with the blog.

Eventually, once I get the hang of administering the blog website, maybe I'll branch off separately. Till then, I'm still a-blogging right here on TUG-BBS as always.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

Fern Modena · Jul 14, 2008

Alan,
You need to add a link to your Blog to your signature lines...

Fern

AwayWeGo · Jul 14, 2008

Good Idea -- I'm A-Working On It.

Fern Modena said:
Alan,
You need to add a link to your Blog to your signature lines...

Fern

I think there is some unrecognized TUG-BBS technical issue with the size of my already overlarge 4-line signature block that's full of Internet hyperlinks.

That is, the no-smoking link (to an image of a Marloro pack) has been nonfunctional for a long time. When I tried to fix it by substituting an image link with a shorter URL, TUG-BBS wouldn't take it -- there were too many characters in my signature file.

I can only assume that when I set up the signature file, there was either no limit or a larger limit on the number of keystrokes TUG-BBS would accept. When the limit (or the smaller limit) was laid on, that didn't affect signature files that were already in place, but it did keep me from sending in an overlimit revision.

I think the thing to do is go with a new, limit-compliant signature while placing an updated version of the old-style signature manually in each new TUG-BBS entry.

The only downside of that is that all the old TUG-BBS entries -- & there are lots of those -- will show the limit-compliant new signature without showing the updated old-style "signature" that can only be inserted manually in new entries, 1 at a time.

Meanwhile, there's nothing from me -- yet -- on Mox Nix Blog that's not also on TUG-BBS. Eventually, the blog may collect user comments from people who blunder in & want to respond to something. If there any of those over there, I haven't seen'm yet. (However, some of my TUG-BBS follow-ups to TUG-BBS entries that migrated to the blog are shown as "comments" on the blog, rather than as separate blog entries. I still have not seen any blog comments by other people -- actual comments, that is, as distinct from follow-on commentary from me that originated at TUG-BBS.)

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

bmann · Jul 15, 2008

Grandpa of Five Smart Grandkids

Grandchildren our special and I could not resist telling this joke.....

Why do grandparents and grandchildren get along so well???...........................

They have common enemies!!!!!!!! :banana:

CalifasGirl · Jul 19, 2008

doesn't work on everything

I bought a knock-off purse in Mexico, and the metal fastener fell off. I tried Gorilla Glue on it, but the fastener fell off again after about a couple of months of use. I guess it's best on stuff that isn't constantly moving around.

My boyfriend tried it on his sideview passenger mirror. Again, it fell off after a little while. Probably too much vibration for the glue to handle.

I learned from my purse mistake. My current purse isn't a knock-off. Well, not that I know of. I stayed away from metal fasteners this time, just in case.

MelBay · Jul 19, 2008

OMG, when I read the title of your post:

Gorilla Glue Strikes Again.

I just ASSumed you were going to tell a story about some poor dog who ate a bottle of Gorilla Glue and I was just cringing as I opened it. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you can read more. Boy, am I glad this was a grandchild/life lesson fun story and not something tragic. Good for you!

AwayWeGo · Aug 12, 2009

No Gorilla Glue Needed This Time.

AwayWeGo said:
Occasionally 1 of the spot-welds will break off a music stand base, leaving the 3-legged stand with just 2 functioning legs & thereby converting a complete & formerly OK music stand into a hunk of junk. I don't do welding, so I improvised a workable fix for the music stand base using Gorilla Glue.

It happened again -- another music stand had 1 of the legs of its base break off at the spotwelds. By the time I noticed it, the broken-off leg was nowhere to be found. Without it, I couldn't try another repair using Gorilla Glue & self-tapping screws.

By E-Mail, I asked the company if I could buy a replacement stand base, or (even better) buy an unwelded replacement steel leg. They sent me -- free -- a whole new base for the stand.

Nice buying stuff from a company that stands behind its products.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

ScoopKona · Aug 12, 2009

AwayWeGo said:
To do fixa-fixa-fixa on the Child Table, I had to unscrew the lid of the Gorilla Glue & use a screwdriver to break through the hardened layer so I could get at the gluey stuff below.

Chuck a drill bit of a similar size to the bottle's opening into your drill. Set the drill on a low speed, and play urologist with the bottle.

You know to moisten one surface of anything being glued with polyurethane glues, yes?

AwayWeGo · Aug 12, 2009

The Rest Of The (Earlier) Story.

ScoopLV said:
You know to moisten one surface of anything being glued with polyurethane glues, yes?

Click here for the full story of the original music stand repair using Gorilla Glue & self-tapping screws.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Oct 14, 2009

Music Stand Fixa-Fixa-Fixa -- The Old Routine Is Getting Boring.

The kids in the high school band room are busting up the music stands faster than I can fix'm.

Last week, another music stand turned up minus a leg -- broken off at the spot-welds, as usual. And, as before, the broken-off leg was nowhere to be found.

This time, I didn't need to ask the manufacturer for a new leg or new stand base. I was able to do the repair on my own because I had the foresight not to discard the 2-legged stand base left over after an earlier repair when I installed a complete all-new base provided at no cost by the manufacturer (Manhasset Speciality Co.).

I used a generic Dremel tool to cut through the spot-welds holding 1 of the remaining 2 legs onto the salvaged leftover base, then I attached that leg to the 2-legged base being repaired, using Gorilla Glue & self-tapping screws, as I've managed to do a couple of times before.

This is not the tidiest repair job you will ever see, but the result is OK & the music stand, which is good to go once again, will be returned to the rehearsal hall this evening in time for band practice.

I still have 1 music stand leg left over that I can use for a future repair job, if needed. And if necessary, I don't mind asking the company to come through again, in case scavenged repair parts are not on hand when needed.

Waste not, want not.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Oct 14, 2009

Repaired Music Stand Back In Service. Missing Steel Leg Found.

The most recent Gorilla Glued music stand is back in the band room where it belongs.

Not only that, the broken-off steel leg that was missing last week turned up tonight. It was stuck out of sight under a kettle drum.

Now that it's no longer lost, I'm adding it to the parts boneyard in case it's needed for future music stand repair jobs.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Apr 19, 2013

Major Serious Effort Required To Break Gorilla Glue + Screws Music Stand Repair.

AwayWeGo said:
The most recent Gorilla Glued music stand is back in the band room where it belongs.

Not sure whether it was the most recent example or was 1 of the earlier Manhasset stands I repaired using Gorilla Glue + self-tapping screws. In any case, 1 of the music stands fixed that way showed up in the school band room trash can with the formerly repaired leg broken off & hanging by 1 of the 2 screws. The head of the other screw had broken off. The rest of that screw was still still tight in the hole.

My initial assumption was that the repair wasn't as solid as I had believed. Wrong.

After I brought the stand home for a repeat repair job & got a closer look, it was clear that the formerly reattached leg did not just fall off because of a bad fix job. Breaking off the glued-screwed stand leg took such strong, intentional effort (by some unknown someone -- a high school kid, I'm guessing) that the heavy-gauge curved steel top piece which the rounded steel leg fits into had been bent upward about 3/8 inch at the edge. The thought process had to be, "Hey, let's see how strong this amateur home-brew fix job really is." The resulting discovery, after the major exertion required to rip the glue bond & snap off a screw head, was Pretty Damn Strong.

The redone fix job is a bit different from the original -- JB Weld instead of Gorilla Glue + small nuts & bolts instead of tapping screws. Maybe that will hold up better. We'll see. However it turns out, I don't want the situation to turn into a contest between the stand fixer & the stand buster.

The best repair method would be welding. I don't have the equipment or the skill for that, & I have no plans for getting into it. Glues & cements & epoxies, etc., + screws, etc., will have to do. Fortunately, music stand repair opportunities don't crop up all that often (so far).

Anything worth doing is worth doing twice.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · May 14, 2013

Goodbye Gorilla Glue. Hello JB-Weld.

AwayWeGo said:
Anything worth doing is worth doing twice.

Another previously screwed & Gorilla Glued music stand needed re-repair. One of the repair screws was gone & the other was loose. Without both screws good & tight, Gorilla Glue alone did not hold.

The re-fix involved reaming out the screw holes to accept heavier short bolts, then coating the space between the stand base & the end of the steel leg with a gob of JB-Weld, inserting the bolts through the 2 holes (& through the gooey epoxy paste), tightening down the nuts good & hard, then covering over the nuts & bolt-ends with excess epoxy paste that squeezed out as the nuts were being tightened.

We'll see how well that holds up.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Jun 11, 2013

Clean Sweep -- 3 Out Of 3 Gorilla Glued Music Stands Needed Re-Fixing.

After a rained-out evening concert, which was to be held at a county park, my son & I went back to the high school to help unload the equipment truck (kettle drums, chimes, music stand lamps, accessories, & I don't know what-all).

While we were in the high school band room (where the equipment goes), I took a quick look round to see whether any more music stands needed tightening or repairs. Sure enough, there was 1 more (the last) previously Gorilla Glued & screwed music stand sitting there with the screws loose & the glued-on leg wobbly.

I took it home for re-repair using nuts & bolts & JB-Weld, as I had done with 2 other music stands that I earlier had repaired using self-tapping screws & Gorilla Glue.

Lesson learned. Three -- 3 -- times now.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

rickandcindy23 · Jun 11, 2013

JB-Weld. Wonderful product. Rick used this in our 1984 Ford Bronco, when our clutch pedal was going through the floorboard. It was a long time ago, but the repair held well. Then the head of his compound miter saw broke, and it worked for the saw, too. But he is very careful not to pull the saw down near the weak spot.

pedro47 · Jun 11, 2013

bmann said:
Grandchildren our special and I could not resist telling this joke.....

Why do grandparents and grandchildren get along so well???...........................

They have common enemies!!!!!!!!

Grandkids are very special. You sometimes can see you kids in your grand children; but more and more you see yourself in your grandkids.

TUGBrian · Jun 11, 2013

love gorilla glue...that stuff is wonderful.

been doing lots of work with cedar recently...I watch way too much HGTV :lol

AwayWeGo · Jul 18, 2013

Frankenstein Zombie Music Stand.

At the end of last night's City Of Fairfax Band rehearsal, in the band room of Fairfax High School, I spied a topless Manhasset music stand in the hallway, near the double doors to the rehearsal hall. The music desk on the stand in the hallway got loose & the desk came off & got lost.

Seeing the topless music stand reminded me that next to a trash can in the band room was a broken Wenger music stand, complete except that 1 of its 3 plastic legs had broken off & was gone.

I didn't see any reason not to try attaching the usable plastic music desk of the broken Wenger music stand to the totally OK base & upright of the topless Manhasset music stand. So I took'm home with me after rehearsal broke up.

As of this afternoon, the music desk panel off the broken Wenger plastic music stand has been attached to the upright extension tube of the topless Manhasset music stand base. The semi-tricky job was completed without shedding any blood or causing any collateral damage.

The main difference between Manhasset & Wenger music stands is how the desks attach to the adjustable poles. Manhassets clamp on. Wengers bolt on through holes in the tops of the upright poles.

It wasn't all that hard to drill holes near the top of the Manhasset extension tube, nor to widen the slightly narrower Manhasset tube by wrapping it with tape. The breakthrough was in figuring out how to insert the Wenger bolt all the way through the holes I drilled through the Manhasset upright tube.

That simple-sounding step was complicated by the coil spring inside the extension tube. (The spring is part of the up-down adjustment mechanism.) To get the bolt through, I had to spread the top spring coils enough to allow the bolt to pass between'm -- easier said than done but not all that difficult, just tedious.

The Frankenstein-Zombie composite Manhasset-Wenger music stand will be returned to the high school band room at rehearsal next week.

Waste not, want not.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Sep 5, 2013

Topless Manhasset Meets Bottomless Wenger.

AwayWeGo said:
The Frankenstein-Zombie composite Manhasset-Wenger music stand will be returned to the high school band room at rehearsal next week.

Waste not, want not.

Frankenstein-Zombie music stand is back where it belongs.

At halftime of last night's season opening band rehearsal, however, I found the upper (desk) portion of the Manhasset music stand whose lower portion now has a Wenger desk attached, thanks to me. The re-found Manhasset top has no base because the one formerly attached to it was used to create the Frankenstein-Zombie music stand.

I don't know where the Manhasset desk was when I found the topless Manhasset base & support pole & decided to fix that by rigging a way to attach the desk off the broken Wenger music stand. Mox nix now.

Best plan I can think of is to stow the Manhasset top in a remote corner of the instrument storage room, where it will be out of the way but retrievable in case it's needed some day.

Meanwhile, I bought via internet a new Manhasset music stand neck -- the part that clamps the desk onto the top of the support pole in a way allowing the musician to tilt the desk surface at an angle for best visibility of the sheet music. A replacement neck is needed for a church music stand used by the Cathedral Brass of Vienna VA, which rehearses & performs at Vienna Presbyterian Church. I'll do the neck transplant next time I'm there for Cathedral Brass rehearsal.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Sep 7, 2013

Broken-Neck Manhasset Is Fixed -- Now Good To Go.

AwayWeGo said:
I bought via internet a new Manhasset music stand neck -- the part that clamps the desk onto the top of the support pole in a way allowing the musician to tilt the desk surface at an angle for best visibility of the sheet music. A replacement neck is needed for a church music stand used by the Cathedral Brass of Vienna VA, which rehearses & performs at Vienna Presbyterian Church. I'll do the neck transplant next time I'm there for Cathedral Brass rehearsal.

Before brass ensemble rehearsal this morning, I retrieved both parts of the music stand whose top would not stay on because the clamp portion of its neck was broken. The stand parts were all the way in the back of the storage closet, out of the way, & lightly coated in dust because they'd been sitting back there for months.

Replacement neck installation was straightforward & trouble free. Only semi-tricky part was getting the extension pole fully inserted into the tight neck socket. After working with it a bit I declared it inserted OK, then tightened down the nut that squeezes the clamp tight.

After I cleaned off the dust, the music stand was good to go. One of the trombonists used it during rehearsal (without even knowing it had been freshly fixed). After church services tomorrow, it will go back on the rack in the storage closet with all the other church musical paraphernalia.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Mar 29, 2014

Frankenstein Zombie Music Stand Is Now Just A Zombie.

AwayWeGo said:
Best plan I can think of is to stow the Manhasset top in a remote corner of the instrument storage room, where it will be out of the way but retrievable in case it's needed some day.

At a recent Fairfax Band rehearsal, the music stand positioned in front of my chair turned out to be that Frankenstein-Zombie stand with the plastic Wenger desk portion mounted onto a steel Manhasset telescoping base. It was just the way I had put it together -- except someone had semi-successfully taped up a big crack in the plastic part. The stand was not cracked when I did the Frankenstein-Zombie repair job. Apparently the music stands & chairs, etc., get slammed around quite a bit during the school year. So it goes.

Fortunately the metal Manhasset desk portion was right where I had stowed it in an out of the way location in the school's instrument storage room. Using tools I had with me (in my music accessory bag) I took off the cracked plastic part & reinstalled the original metal top part of the music stand. The job did not take long & I was able to do it on the spot without bringing anything home. I put the broken Wenger part in the trash.

Nice to be useful around the rehearsal room.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Apr 11, 2014

They Bust'm. I Fix'm. So It Goes.

AwayWeGo said:
The kids in the high school band room are busting up the music stands faster than I can fix'm.

Last week, when we were at Fairfax Band rehearsal, a trumpet playing friend found a steel leg broken off another high school band music stand.

After rehearsal this week, I found a music stand missing 1 of its 3 steel legs.

I brought home the busted stand & arranged to collect the broken-off leg from the trumpet player, with the idea of sticking the parts back together using nuts & bolts & JB-Weld. (No more Gorilla Glue for fixing music stands -- I learned my lesson the hard way about that application.)

Meanwhile, in rehearsal at a church yesterday with another ensemble, I noticed that the music stand in front of my chair was missing the nut & bolt used to fasten the top to the telescoping extension pole. I will tuck a nut & bolt & lock-washer into my miscellaneous bag so that if I get that same stand again, I can fix it. (The church has a couple of dozen music stands, so getting the same 1 next time is not a sure thing, & I don't want to go inspecting all of'm during or after rehearsal.)

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Apr 12, 2014

Fixed.

AwayWeGo said:
After rehearsal this week, I found a music stand missing 1 of its 3 steel legs.

I brought home the busted stand & arranged to collect the broken-off leg from the trumpet player, with the idea of sticking the parts back together using nuts & bolts & JB-Weld.

Done.

Broken off steel leg glued & bolted back on. Spray-painted black over the new bolt heads & (slight) excess epoxy.

Couldn't find any JB-Weld. Had to use some semi-solidified 20-year-old stuff I found way back in the miscellaneous cabinet. Gouged out some of the epoxy & an equivalent gob of hardener. Had to zap'm in the microwave to get'm soft enough to mix. Then I had to work fast while the mixture was still warm. Managed to get the parts together with a thick layer of fast-hardening epoxy in between, then worked the bolts through the holes & threaded on the nuts. Screwed the nuts on good & tight. Coated the nuts & the bolt-ends with the excess epoxy past for good measure. Let the whole works cure overnight. Got The Chief Of Staff to spray-paint the leg assembly black out of an aerosol can. Reattached the stand to the newly repaired base after the paint dried. Will take the repaired music stand back to the high school rehearsal hall next week.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

AwayWeGo · Sep 24, 2014

Trumpet Carrying Case Recycling.

AwayWeGo said:
Last week, when we were at Fairfax Band rehearsal, a trumpet playing friend found a steel leg broken off another high school band music stand.

After rehearsal this week, I found a music stand missing 1 of its 3 steel legs.

More recently, somebody deposited an apparently OK trumpet case into the rehearsal room trash can. I noticed it there when I was in the process of discarding a wad of paper towel.

Turned out the clamshell-style trumpet case was not OK. One of its 2 molded hinges had broken. With just 1 working hinge, the case would not hold together securely & thus was no good for trumpet carrying. (I found that out by taking the case out of the trash receptacle to see why it had been thrown away.)

It also turned out that the bad plastic hinge & its plastic mate that was still OK could be repaired & reinforced by inserting 5 inches of leftover straight AWG-10 copper wire all the way through both halves of both hinges, then bending each of the 4 wire ends into a J so the wires won't slide out.

The trumpet case is good to go.

Waste not, want not.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.

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