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[2008] Sandcastle Shift to "Festiva" Points [merged]

First of all, I did answer her questions about those two previous businesses. I didn't think more information was relevant and there is a difference between real estate and timeshare. Don't believe me since none of you non-owners do anyway, just look at the state licensing laws and decide for yourself. It's no more relevant than if people were to ask you about your business. Let's say you were in the insurance business for example. What relevance does that have?

By the way, Eric, I have and will continue to answer question from legitimate owners just as I did earlier today on the Southcape board. Perhaps if you weren't so busy trying to rally the owners at Pollard Brook, you'd have time to keep up with the posts here so you can inject your opinions on another board where you don't own.

It really bothers you when someone promotes owner advocacy issues doesn't it?

Like all developers, you would prefer that owners be seen and not heard.

Where is the friendly civil relationship we used to have?

And you still do not seem to understand what TUG is about. Members are not limited to only posting to threads where they are owners. Though I understand that you would like it that way. Perhaps you should recommend to your ARDA-cronies that they should sponsor a forum like that.
 
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Questions for Cliff

I apologize for seeming to ignore your previous questions. Sometimes it gets so busy on here dealing with non owners, I can't remember who I answered and who I didn't. Because of that, I'm just not going to respond to non owners anymore.

I no longer sell real estate under the name Hagberg Realty. I do still own IVS Realty. IVS is still very active as the oldest and largest timeshare resale company in New England. Because of the large number of weeks to be sold at Sancastle, the resort needs a more active program than my company can provide. Festiva is not "taking" weeks. Should an owner decide to become a member of Festiva, they deed their week to Festiva and become a member of Festiva's Adventure Club. It is completely optional.

Outfield is absolutely offering weeks for sale. I don't know where this rumor got started but it's simply not true. Anyone wishing to buy a week at the Sandcastle, let me know and we'll be delighted to sell you one. Two weeks were just sold at the resort today! When the weeks are sold, NEVS won't own anything at the resort any longer. NEVS did not buy the weeks to hang on to them like the former trustees, I can promise you that.

I can't tell you when the "tipping point" comes for several reasons. There are two different associations at Sandcastle with two separate set of condo docs and all the documents were written prior to the enactment of MGL Chapter 183B. All I can tell you is that four different law firms agreed that control does not yet pass from the developer. An attorney who works for the associations is currently reviewing all of the documents in order to make necessary amendments, etc. Having met with him just last week, I can tell you that he's not certain of where that point is either, at least at the moment. It is being reviewed.

By the way, I can promise you that you're annoying enough already! :)

For those of you who didn't get that, it's a joke . . . I'll admit to a strange sense of humor.

I first began working for the former developers and trustees in 1992 as IVS Realty. I was hired to sell the inventory that they owned. I was successful enough that I was told not to sell their inventory any longer as they weren't ready to give up control. This was in 1992!!

Many of the weeks Jewel sold were not developer weeks but owner resales and weeks taken back in the name of the association which was controlled by the developer. In 1992, the developer had about 400 weeks. Last fall I purchase about 360 of them that were left. Not a great track record in selling their interests. If the economy doesn't blow up completely, NEVS expects to sell that inventory in the next 2 - 3 years.

FYI, the only man working for IVS Realty the past few years has been me. So if you had a good experience with a man at IVS, I thank you!

As far as owners on the board, no elections are called for at this time. Instead, I'm creating an owner advisory board that will be made up of individual owners. This board will review all information before it is presented to the trustees and will have direct input for recommendations to the trustees. It will also mean that, when we are ready for elections, we'll have a group of committed, qualified owners to stand for election. Any owners interested in serving on this board, please let me know as appointments will be made next month.

I'm afraid I can't answer the rest of your questions until the legal process has been completed. The best I can do at this time is to say that I do intend to keep owners informed through newsletters and the new website. You gave the former trustees over twenty years with no complaints and look where we ended up. Can you at least give me two??

Cliff

P. S. If everyone on here buys a week, you'll go a long way towards helping NEVS in their mission to sell the inventory!!

Hi Cliff,

There are two big sticking points that really confuse me, and they confuse many of the other Sandcastle owners that I've spoken with and that I've seen posting on here. One has to do with Outfield's dual loyalty to Festiva and NEVS, and the other has to do with the unsold inventory held by NEVS. Perhaps you can clear up the confusion.

1. How can Outfield Marketing possibly be effective at selling deeded weeks? Outfield tells people that they are hired by Festiva to market Festiva's Adventure Club. Trying to market a points system and trying to sell deeded timeshare weeks seem to be mutually exclusive. Outfield is telling people that week-based systems are disappearing, that deeded owners are being left with a disproportionate share of expenses, and that "the best thing that could happen to owners would be for a hurricane to flatten this place." None of these seems like a particularly good sales pitch for selling deeded weeks.

2. What percentage of the NEVS inventory consists of unsell-able weeks? My understanding is that NEVS owns all the units at the Sandcastle for all the weeks the resort is closed. Doesn't that mean that NEVS will always own something close to 25% of the inventory?

I'm not sure you were serious in your posting about people buying more weeks. As I already told you, I had been seriously considering another week, but such a purchase would be foolish when I have absolutely no idea what is coming in terms of assessments and fees.

And I'd be happy to serve on your advisory committee, as long as the advice is being heeded.

Michael
 
Hi Cliff,

There are two big sticking points that really confuse me, and they confuse many of the other Sandcastle owners that I've spoken with and that I've seen posting on here. One has to do with Outfield's dual loyalty to Festiva and NEVS, and the other has to do with the unsold inventory held by NEVS. Perhaps you can clear up the confusion.

1. How can Outfield Marketing possibly be effective at selling deeded weeks? Outfield tells people that they are hired by Festiva to market Festiva's Adventure Club. Trying to market a points system and trying to sell deeded timeshare weeks seem to be mutually exclusive. Outfield is telling people that week-based systems are disappearing, that deeded owners are being left with a disproportionate share of expenses, and that "the best thing that could happen to owners would be for a hurricane to flatten this place." None of these seems like a particularly good sales pitch for selling deeded weeks.

2. What percentage of the NEVS inventory consists of unsell-able weeks? My understanding is that NEVS owns all the units at the Sandcastle for all the weeks the resort is closed. Doesn't that mean that NEVS will always own something close to 25% of the inventory?

I'm not sure you were serious in your posting about people buying more weeks. As I already told you, I had been seriously considering another week, but such a purchase would be foolish when I have absolutely no idea what is coming in terms of assessments and fees.

And I'd be happy to serve on your advisory committee, as long as the advice is being heeded.

Michael

Weeks when a resort is closed are normally maintenance weeks which 1) cannot legally be sold, and 2) carry no vote in the HOA. If the developer is asserting these weeks carry a vote, you need to get legal assistance to see that they are not voted in the HOA.

Look up the deed where NEVS acquired these weeks. It will list specifically what weeks they are. Then look to see how many are maintenance weeks. Of the sellable weeks, look to see what seasons they are in.

If he is just sitting on these weeks, the key question is whether he is paying m/f's on them or whether he is a deadbeat developer. Several resorts on the Outer Banks sued or threatened to sue the developer over not paying m/f's on its weeks, and the HOA ended up owning the weeks so they could sell them off. In one case, they also pried a six figure sum in cash out of the developer. But, of course you will need to overthrow the developer dictatorship and establish a proper homeowner run HOA to do this.
 
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To Marvan,

Great post. Please do visit the blog mentioned by FIG: http://sandcastleowners.blogspot.com/

I created it to host information and paperwork that can be viewed by owners and used to, hopefully, remove confusion about what is going on there. I have urged people to write the AG if they have a legitimate complaint. Yesterday, thanks in part to info on this TUG site, I found the Mass law governing timeshares. This is a big help.

As a group, owners do not know much about the laws and their rights. If there is something wrong going on, we will have to work to get it to stop. Many owners have been harassed by salespeople and been told misleading information by them and others. We need to clear this up.

Please, anyone reading this, look at the blog, participate if you want to, and make a comment which does or doesn't have to be posted. I moderate this blog and will not post flames, rants rumors or such. I will also keep communication private if you indicate that. So it is a way we can get connected, which we need to do as owners since the management is withholding the owners list which we have a right to.
Hi Frank,
Sorry for long delay to your response. Your 20 page Blog is excellent. I'm in the process of getting a referral for a time-share attorney from MA. I believe any of our communication with the stone is worthless. When I have the referral, I would like to pass the attorney on to you, would that be OK. We can expand our group of timeshare owners and have an attorney represent us in court. Is there a way we can communicate directly without going thru this board? Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thanks, Marvan
 
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Ich bein ain Sandcastler and Southcaper(even if I don't own there). All TS owners(myself included) should contribute to a legal fund. We are all vulnerable to the problems facing the above owners unless TS grabs can be stopped in court.
 
Ich bein ain Sandcastler and Southcaper(even if I don't own there). All TS owners(myself included) should contribute to a legal fund. We are all vulnerable to the problems facing the above owners unless TS grabs can be stopped in court.
That sounds like an excellent idea. I'm open to suggestions for organization.
 
contact me

Hi Frank,
Sorry for long delay to your response. Your 20 page Blog is excellent. I'm in the process of getting a referral for a time-share attorney from MA. I believe any of our communication with the stone is worthless. When I have the referral, I would like to pass the attorney on to you, would that be OK. We can expand our group of timeshare owners and have an attorney represent us in court. Is there a way we can communicate directly without going thru this board? Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thanks, Marvan

Hi Marvan,

I'm happy to do what I can to help as many owners as possible get together. Go to the blog (http://sandcastleowners.blogspot.com/) and leave me a comment. All comments are seen by me only first. I chose whether or not to post them, so it can be a private message to me. Give me your email in that comment and that connects us. I will not post anyone's email or name unless I am asked to by that person.

To leave a comment you will create an identity there just as you do here. Let me know it is you.

Frank
 
Hi Marvan,

I'm happy to do what I can to help as many owners as possible get together. Go to the blog (http://sandcastleowners.blogspot.com/) and leave me a comment. All comments are seen by me only first. I chose whether or not to post them, so it can be a private message to me. Give me your email in that comment and that connects us. I will not post anyone's email or name unless I am asked to by that person.

To leave a comment you will create an identity there just as you do here. Let me know it is you.

Frank
Hi Frank,
What profile do I choose to get message to you?
Ray
 
contact me, blog sign in

Hi Frank,
What profile do I choose to get message to you?
Ray

Marvan, I'm not sure of your question. Try this: go to the blog: http://sandcastleowners.blogspot.com/. At the top right area click on "sign in". Follow the prompts and then leave a comment. Looks like you can email me through the TUG site here as well. It does not show you my email address but I assume the site will forward the message to me (haven't done this myself yet). Click on my name at the left of the posting here and choose the email option.
Frank
 
I'm no longer answering questions on TUG. Every time I do, I'm vilified and flamed. I get called a "thief", a "liar", a "crook", etc. I'm told that people won't believe me no matter what I say, even if it's the truth. I've even been accused of committing crimes by people who don't know what they're talking about, do not have any facts to back up their accusations and don't realized the implications of their statements. I've been accused of pretending to be other people when I'm not and there's no way I can prove I'm not someone any more than someone can prove they're not a child molester. I don't know how to prove a negative. I've been personally attacked and libeled. I've had private communications from me published on TUG. I've seen confidential resort information published on TUG.

There is no point in my answering questions when I'm told I won't be believed no matter what I say. I will always respond to owners and answer their questions. As I've said, I do expect that confidential communications remain confidential. I don't think that's too much to ask.

What we have here is not reasonable discourse between people who may have opposing viewpoints. What we have here is diatribe and vitriol of the basest sort and I choose not to participate in it any longer.

Any Sandcastle owner that has questions can reach me at nevmsllc@gmail.com

Cliff
 
Marvan, I'm not sure of your question. Try this: go to the blog: http://sandcastleowners.blogspot.com/. At the top right area click on "sign in". Follow the prompts and then leave a comment. Looks like you can email me through the TUG site here as well. It does not show you my email address but I assume the site will forward the message to me (haven't done this myself yet). Click on my name at the left of the posting here and choose the email option.
Frank
Hi Frank, just sent you email. Hope you got it.
 
Sandcastle Owners Google Group

Specifically for Sandcastle owners and former owners

There is a group of owners and former owners keeping in contact and communicating among themselves ... the intent is to develop and carry out plans and programs to right the wrong that is going on at our resort.

If you would like to join this list please contact Beryl Soparkar and provide your name, address, phone number, email address, unit(s) and week(s) owned.

Beryl's email address is: BSopar@aol.com

Thank you
 
Attention - Sandcastle Owners Who Are Victims Of Outfield Marketing

Tom Mitchell, a Sandcastle owner, has an appointment on Wednesday, September 16, with the Mayor's Office of Consumer Protection which is the Local Consumer Protection Office of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office in Springfield. His intent is to carry information that will be useful in proving the acts of deceptive marketing carried out by the Outfield Marketing sales people.

If you turned over your deed(s) because you believed what you were told and later found it to be false, or because you were pressured or felt threatened, and now want your deeds back, contact Tom with your story. He wants as many cases as he can gather to demonstrate to the advocate that there has been deception and wrong doing.

The dealings with Outfield have to have taken place within the boundaries of Massachusetts but not limited to Provincetown. If you met with them at the resort, then Tom wants to hear about it. If they came to your home and you live in Massachusetts then send Tom your story.

If you live outside of Massachusetts, but the dealings happened in Massachusetts then Tom wants to hear from you, too.

If you know of other owners who would want to have their story presented to the advocate, please contact them and give them this information and Tom's email address

Please do this as soon as possible as his meeting is this coming Wednesday.

Tom's email address is: tominspfld@gmail.com

Thank you
 
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I did not turn over my deed and refused any calls from Outfield Marketing. Does Tom Mitchell also want to hear from us about the legality of the SA? I have sent it to the Consumer Assistance Council already but should we be sending issues with the SA to Tom as well?
 
I did not turn over my deed and refused any calls from Outfield Marketing. Does Tom Mitchell also want to hear from us about the legality of the SA? I have sent it to the Consumer Assistance Council already but should we be sending issues with the SA to Tom as well?[/QUOTE

Did you have an actual meeting with Outfield? Tom was looking for people who had been exposed to the Outfield dog and pony show, whether they turned their deeds over or not.
 
Did you have an actual meeting with Outfield? Tom was looking for people who had been exposed to the Outfield dog and pony show, whether they turned their deeds over or not.

NO, thanks that what I needed to know.
 
Timesharing today just sent out SOS for sandcastle owners!

Sancastle owners at cape cod are having huge problems with new developer.
They can use all the help they can get. Anyone know anything about this?????
 
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Looking for Sandcastle Owners

We continue to reach out to Sandcastle deeded owners who are unaware of the growing group of owners who have been able to band together and share communications.

If you are an owner or know of owners who are unaware of our efforts to keep Festiva Adventure Club from acquiring any more deeds, to stop Outfield Marketing from continuing their horrendous treatment of owners and to rid the Sandcastle of the current management situation, please have them contact me through TUG BBS via email or private message.

We have many things happening and need to reach as many owners as possible.
 
Looking for Sandcastle Owners

We continue to reach out to Sandcastle deeded owners who are unaware of the growing group of owners who have been able to band together and share communications.

If you are an owner or know of owners who are unaware of our efforts to keep Festiva Adventure Club from acquiring any more deeds, to stop Outfield Marketing from continuing their horrendous treatment of owners and to rid the Sandcastle of the current management situation, please have them contact me through TUG BBS via email or private message.

We have many things happening and need to reach as many owners as possible.
 
HI- do you have us listed? A. Stoll & P. Clapham, week 33.
Thanks
Anita
 
Sandcastle Owners on Google Groups

Specifically for Sandcastle owners and former owners

There is a group of owners and former owners keeping in contact and communicating among themselves ... the intent is to develop and carry out plans and programs to right the wrong that is going on at our resort.

If you would like to join this list please contact Beryl Soparkar and provide your name, address, phone number, email address, unit(s) and week(s) owned.

Beryl's email address is: BSopar@aol.com
 
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