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I understand the frustration regarding this rule; on the other hand we like this rule because it gives priority to owners that want to actually use the unit as opposed to those who want to make the reservations on popular weeks without having any intention of staying in it & then turn it over Interval International for "increased trading power" ala Marriott.

These are the SVN rules & are clearly spelled out and we are happy with the results.

I'm inclined to agree. At least with Starwood, I've never heard of an owner being shut out from making a reservation at their home resort at the 12 mos. mark. That seems to be an ongoing issue with some of the Marriotts.

It does upset me that Starwood tries (and often succeeds) in applying SVN rules to non-SVN weeks.

On another note, I'd like to know where the money goes for things like cabana rentals. Our first year at Kierland, there was no charge for them, and we enjoyed using them. I understand they now charge a rental fee for them. I assume the Owners Association pays for the cabanas? If so, I resent that as an owner I have to pay a rental fee on top of having paid for the cabana in the first place. If the OA is paying for the cabanas, does the rental income come back to the OA? Or does Starwood pocket that money?

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If you had the ear of the higher ups at Starwood, what would suggest to make using your membership better? What are your biggest peeves:wall: ?

Oh nodge... this thread is for you.

Hmmm. I'm not sure I can add much more beyond what has already been said so far, but here it goes. Hang on!

SVO’s Problem:

In my mind, most of SVO’s problems originate from a common source – its upper management, which treats all of us existing SVO owners (both developer and resale purchasers alike) with pure, unbridled, and unchecked contempt while it blindly pursues short term financial gains at the expense of long term survivability of its program.

SVO management thinks that it can do and say anything to us owners with impunity.

Examples of these activities include:

1. Inducing sales by promising owners who buy additional developer weeks that they will be entitled to upgraded accomodations (if available), but then cancelling that benefit within weeks and some cases days of these customers’ new developer purchases.

2. Promising real-time, on-line inventory checking and booking nearly 10 years ago, but still not delivering it.

3. Deflating existing owner StarOption values by increasing the StarOptions required to stay at new resorts.

4. Dumping over 1 billion Orlando StarOptions into the system, thereby making internal exchanging into non-Orlando resorts that much harder for existing SVN members (but also doling out those dumped StarOptions in small 76,000 increments, thereby also screwing those single week Orlando owners out of internally trading into full sized units at prime resorts).

5. Routinely implementing double digit percentage annual maintenance fee increases, and its SVO crony-controlled HOA’s at some SVO resorts still calling for multi-thousand dollar special assessments.

6. Piling its upper management “team” with do-nothing VP’s with outrageous titles like (and I’m not making these up), VP of “strategic technology,” VP of “customer experience,” and my personal favorite VP of “owners services.” (The last title is more-or-less an inside joke, because that VP ‘s job actually involves serving as the SVO mouthpiece for REMOVING services for owners and occasionally trying to sell us all $25,000 African safaris at full price.)

More troubling to me though is how SVO management routinely makes major changes to its program while maintaining a code of stoic silence about these changes to us owners and potential new customers.

Examples of these activities include:

1. Silently switching from selling mandatory resorts to selling voluntary resorts. Here is how we owners were able to figure it out. To this date, SVO hasn’t offered one official announcement of this MAJOR, MAJOR change to its system. Moreover, SVO salesfolks certainly don’t go out of their way to explain the consequences of this change to any new customers either.

2. Announcing new developments like Aruba (and I bet Cabo and maybe even WKORV-NN are seriously at risk of facing the same fate), but then arbitrarily cancelling those projects with absolutely no notice or explanation.

The weird thing is that even though SVO upper management refuses to engage us or even look us in the eye, it still apparently cares (at least in a passive, really creepy, dark corner, orange eating, lurker sort of way) what we think of it. So much so, that it monitors our postings here daily.

SVO management is the idiot savant of the timeshare industry. It can build and sell top notch resorts in world class locations, but can’t manage its way out of a paper bag when it comes to day-to-day customer/owner service or even basic owner respect and honesty issues. To date, it appears that SVO management is entirely OK with that. Given the current economy and us owners’ need to have SVO survive in order to preserve our own interests, I’m just not sure that we owners can afford to be OK with it much longer.

Proposed Solution:

It’s not all bad. SVO maintains some very nice and enjoyable resorts. Plus, some of us get a leather luggage tag from SVO every couple of years or so.

Here is what I would do to fix things at SVO and have fun while remaining up with the current times while doing it too. Hear me out on this.

I’d do a reality TV series involving all of SVO’s top management. All of the VP’s would live together in a resort community, like say . . . Orlando. . . , and have to run a company, like say . . . .SVO, all under the watchful eye of the TV cameras. Someone would also have to track down the current SVO president on the golf course. He should probably make at least one appearance during the taping season just to prove that he indeed exists.

Each week, the VP’s would get a simple task to perform, like say. . . implementing an online reservation system or improving the elite benefits without destroying the entire program, and we’d all get to watch them flounder around and waste their time and our money like they are all currently doing anyway. Then, at the end of each episode, we owners would get to vote one or two VP’s out of management by calling a special 800 phone number.

We’d whittle down the current pile of useless VP’s to a manageable few hundred or so in preparation for the final episode, which would be taped in Vegas or at Radio City Music Hall in NYC. We’d hire three people known for having better customer service than the current SVO top management to serve as judges. I’m currently thinking a DMV worker, any Continental Airlines’ flight attendant, and maybe “PUCK” from that M-TV show “Real World.”

During the final episode, the then surviving VP’s would each come on stage one-by-one and say their names, their official titles, and what they “do” for SVO. We’d get to watch the judges all roll their eyes as the “VP of customer experience” tries to explain how his job is different from the “VP of owner services.” I’m thinking that a video montage showing how owners are currently forced to book their rooms by calling at 6 AM (Pacific Time) before panning to the “VP of Strategic Technology” could be nicely worked into the show.

At the end of each VP’s moment before the judges, the judges would then give each of them either a number 1 or a number 2, but not tell them what each number means. To build drama, the show would have color commentators trying to guess what the numbers mean based on who is being placed into each category. “Well, Jim. Everyone knows that the VP of Dishwasher Soap Selection was a real slacker this year. So, I’m sure the other Number 1’s are not happy to have her in their group.”

The big finale would be before a packed theater, with the VP’s all on stage. All of the property managers from each resort would be there and get front row seats in the audience. Owners and their families would fill the remaining seats in the audience.

The lights would dim, and the judges would call the show to order. Dramatic music would start to play. “PUCK” would call the “number 2’s” forward and ask them to stand in a line at the front of the stage. The volume of the music would increase. The camera would pan the faces of the “number 2’s.” The volume of the music would increase again. The “number 2’s” would look at each other. The camera would then pan the “number 1’s.” Pause for commercial.

Following the commercial, they’d do the whole panning and music thing again just for good measure. Then the DMV worker judge would say “NUMBER 2’s!” “YOU’RE SERVICES WITH SVO ARE NO LONGER NEEDED!” “EXIT THE STAGE IMMEDIATELY!”

Pan to the shocked face of the former “VP of Toner Cartridges” as he exits the stage. Then pan to the relieved face of the “VP of Parking Space Line Painting” in the “Number 1’s” line.

Wait! What’s this? Why is the dramatic music starting again?

Pan the line of “Number 1’s” who are starting to look a little concerned. Increase the volume of the music. Another commercial.

Back from the commercial. Do more music and panning. Pan the front row property managers too just for fun. Why not? It’s an hour show.

This time the Continental Airlines Flight attendant judge says:

“NUMBER 1’s”

“YOU’RE SERVICES WITH SVO ARE NO LONGER NEEDED! EXIT THE STAGE IMMEDIATELY!” (Pan to a crushed VP exiting the stage.)

PUCK immediately stands up and asks all of the property managers in the front row to stand up.

He says:

“PROPERTY MANAGERS!”

"YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RUN YOUR RESPECTIVE RESORTS SURPRISINGLY WELL DESPITE BEING MANAGED BY THESE NUMB-NUTS EXITING THE STAGE!”

“CLEARLY YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY!”

“YOU ARE NOW THE TOP MANAGEMENT OF SVO! PLEASE JOIN US ON THIS STAGE!”

The crowd cheers. Balloons and confetti fall.

Commercial.

-nodge (I think I may be watching way too much TV)
 
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Nodge, that was one of your better efforts! :hysterical:

BTW - getting much done at work this morning? :D
 

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nodge, you completely crack me up. Am I dreaming or was part of that from "Design Star"?

The way things are going, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if SVO wasn't on the chopping block as we speak. With stalled sales, new developments canceled, the cost of building materials through the roof, too many VPs who like to use corporate jets...I can't imagine SVO is making much money for Starwood right now.

And where I come from (a fortune 50 company), divisions that aren't contributing to a healthy profit margin are put up for bid and sold to a third party.
 

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I doubt that SVO will be put on the market anytime soon. Sales were down for the first half of the year, but they were not in the red. Once Lagunamar comes on line this month (so they say) that should help increase new sales totals and average cost per unit sold.

If they hold the "owners updates" at the pool bar, sales could really improve!
 

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Am I dreaming or was part of that from "Design Star"?

Yep. I saw a re-run of the final show on Monday night. I was also inspired by "America's Got Talent" and of course, "The Apprentice."

I think that it's just a matter of time before we are all on a reality TV show. I just hope I don't have to eat any bugs when it's my turn.

-nodge
 

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The way things are going, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if SVO wasn't on the chopping block as we speak. With stalled sales, new developments canceled, the cost of building materials through the roof, too many VPs who like to use corporate jets...I can't imagine SVO is making much money for Starwood right now.

I'm quite sure SVO is doing just fine. Don't forget that the salaries and corporate jets for the VP of strategic improvement, the VP of customer experience, and even the VP of tracking nodge are all overhead costs which SVO pushes onto us, the SVN property owners, as part of our annual MF's. And they probably add a mark-up to those costs for profit. If Starwood did not have such fabulous properties, I would sell.

My suggestion for improving Starwood would be to add some properties in places to which I could drive (Tahoe, Santa Barbara, San Diego, Monterey). I know that may sound provincial for someone in San Francisco, but that makes more sense than a second property in Palm Desert, a second property on Kauai, and a third property on Maui.
 

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I am with you Robert. Add more in places they DON'T have currently and are desired. I would LOVE a Santa Barbara TS. I don't even think SB has more than 1 from any company. It could be above the city in the rolling foothills...

San Diego would be great. Don't forget Sonoma too!

Katherine
 

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nodge, we have all been waiting for your comments on this thread and you out did yourself:hysterical: :hysterical:

i would love to see resorts in New England area, bermuda, st. lucia, st. martaan,turks and caicos, and of course the beloved Aruba.

barbra
 

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A resort on the Eastern Shore of Maryland would be nice, as well as something within an hour of DC. Then maybe something near Asheville, NC (Westin at the Biltmore?). It's too far for me to drive to Sonoma.
 

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A resort on the Eastern Shore of Maryland would be nice, as well as something within an hour of DC. Then maybe something near Asheville, NC (Westin at the Biltmore?). It's too far for me to drive to Sonoma.

You really want a Starwood timeshare around Ocean City? I live about 2 hour drive away and we hardly ever go to OC, especially for a weeks vacation.
 

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Key West would be great!

I think Hyatt has four Key Kest locations!

Sub Tropical, in the US (no passports), cheap airfare to Miami/Ft Lauderdale!
 
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My suggestion for improving Starwood would be to add some properties in places to which I could drive (Tahoe, Santa Barbara, San Diego, Monterey). I know that may sound provincial for someone in San Francisco, but that makes more sense than a second property in Palm Desert, a second property on Kauai, and a third property on Maui.

I fully agree, condsidering what flights now cost for Hawaii and FF flights becoming less available.
 

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I fully agree, condsidering what flights now cost for Hawaii and FF flights becoming less available.

I am thinking maybe they need to "scale down" the size of the resorts they plan and make more locations instead. Lagunamar looks gigantic! I am not a big high rise fan, which is why I don't do Marriott so much.

How about smaller TSs in more places.... And stick to 3 stories or less.

Katherine
 

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The Aruba resort was suppose to be high rise.

Alot of the other chains have high rises. Look at Marriott in Hawaii, DVC at MK, Hyatt at Orlando. Wait until phase 3 of HRA is released.
 

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One of the reasons we love WKORV so much is that it is "low rise". I think SVO should stick with this plan ..low rise and high quality. When I'm there I easlily can imagine it's my own condo! Unlike ther Marriott which looks like a mega resort.
 

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I am thinking maybe they need to "scale down" the size of the resorts they plan and make more locations instead.

I agree!

And, while it may require coordination at Starwood (I know, I know...asking too much) but I think SVN should buy a few floors of each Westin Resort Hotel they're building... as mentioned in other threads, there is a new Westin building built in Sonoma, and they just opened the new one in Mammoth. Seems they would be able to make more $$$ and diversify the SVN options much more rapidly this way.
 

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I agree!

And, while it may require coordination at Starwood (I know, I know...asking too much) but I think SVN should buy a few floors of each Westin Resort Hotel they're building... as mentioned in other threads, there is a new Westin building built in Sonoma, and they just opened the new one in Mammoth. Seems they would be able to make more $$$ and diversify the SVN options much more rapidly this way.

fabulous idea.
 

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...there is a new Westin building built in Sonoma,...

A Westin being built in Sonoma!? - where/when?

added: I just googled it - this must be for the fractional ownership condos being built...?
 
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