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So earlier today, a Salesperson commented on a post on our facebook page that linked folks to this article:

http://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/timeshares_buying_new_or_used.html

After a number of posts where he attempted to defend his position, he chose to delete all his posts after beginning to get nasty...thankfully facebook sends emails when anyone comments, so they are all saved! Ill be uploading them here shortly!



I am amused at how tug started off as "a great site he refers so many of his clients to"...and by the end of the discussion it was "a small useless website that wont ever make a dent in the industry"

Im sure Mr Charles Sparks is an extremely successful salesperson at whatever resort he works at with his ability to change direction and hide things he said that might be used against him in the future!
 
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and here we go! these go in order of his comments posted on that thread, at the end ill upload whats "left" of the thread so you can see the replies from TUG as the discussion carries on.

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and the overall chat (minus the deleted posts above)

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I'm sure Mr Charles Sparks is an extremely successful salesperson at whatever resort he works at with his ability to change direction and hide things he said that might be used against him in the future!
From his comments, sounds like a guy who is not very successful at timeshare sales. :bawl:

He does write some LOOOOONG sentences, though.
 

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So earlier today, a Salesperson commented on a post on our facebook page that linked folks to this article:

http://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/timeshares_buying_new_or_used.html

After a number of posts where he attempted to defend his position, he chose to delete all his posts after beginning to get nasty...thankfully facebook sends emails when anyone comments, so they are all saved! Ill be uploading them here shortly!



I am amused at how tug started off as "a great site he refers so many of his clients to"...and by the end of the discussion it was "a small useless website that wont ever make a dent in the industry"

Im sure Mr Charles Sparks is an extremely successful salesperson at whatever resort he works at with his ability to change direction and hide things he said that might be used against him in the future!

I think this is just the begining. The Melenial Generation is starting to come into their own when it comes to discretionary income and financial independence. This generation is used to buying cars online, looking online for comparative shopping of products and goods and google searching everything. While There are still people who don't activly use the internet, the new target timeshare customer is more educated and does more research resulting in a lower conversion rate for timeshare sales teams (just a guess).

In case you don't know the term, conversion rate = number of buyers vs number of people who show up to presentations and receive their free goodies.
 

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I think this is just the begining. The Melenial Generation is starting to come into their own when it comes to discretionary income and financial independence. This generation is used to buying cars online, looking online for comparative shopping of products and goods and google searching everything. While There are still people who don't activly use the internet, the new target timeshare customer is more educated and does more research resulting in a lower conversion rate for timeshare sales teams (just a guess).

In case you don't know the term, conversion rate = number of buyers vs number of people who show up to presentations and receive their free goodies.

The flipside of this is that the industry will have to evolve to cope with the information out there. It could be positive or negative, as perks are added to developer purchases or taken away from resales. Whatever the case, they'll have to evolve their product somehow as generations shift.
 
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The flipside of this is that the industry will have to evolve to cope with the information out there. It could be positive or negative, as perks are added to developer purchases or taken away from resales. Whatever the case, they'll have to evolve their product somehow as generations shift.

I am hoping that they just start reducing prices and commissions and turn it into more of a CARMAX experience instead of a Uncle Eddies Used Car lot one.
 

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and here we go! these go in order of his comments posted on that thread, at the end ill upload whats "left" of the thread so you can see the replies from TUG as the discussion carries on.

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Wow. He managed that entire tirade and only used one period! I'm impressed!!

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He managed that entire tirade and only used one period!
Some of'm on FaceBook could become more impressive by learning how to express themselves without using crude & vulgar words.

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Can you send this t/s salesperson comments to his employer?
 

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If the timeshare salesman can be located by his name but I would guess it's tough to figure that out.

Classy guy. Wastegate salesman, maybe? They slimy-crawl even lower than snakes.
 

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id certainly tag the company in the thread if he posted publicly who he worked for =)

im not going to dig into his private life to find out that information though.
 

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Why bother arguing? We do what we do to save money. The biggest expense in Timeshares are the Maintenence fees. Even if you get a free timeshare, look at what the Maintenence fees are and they will continue to rise as time goes on. Not to step on salesmen's toes, but after we talk about resales, they pull a rabbit out of a hat... Saying look we have resales too! So why show me the high priced timeshares then when I tell you what I know, suddenly you have something for less? Then feelings get hurt, you run to your boss, they make a big entrance and blah blah, . We don't go to presentations anymore, buy from owners directly. Enjoy the timeshares and don't waste time at presentations!
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because the more replies and likes the conversation gets, the more likely it is to be seen by other timeshare owners.

even if just one owner discovers they can buy resale from reading that discussion, isnt that worth the menial effort put forth in typing a reply to contradict the ridiculousness being spewed by that guy?
 

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He is a Facebook friend to tug. .Maybe he should be unfriended

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believe that would remove his posts from the page.
 

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Daniel is an off premises body snatcher for West Gate and started a conversation about wanting to buy a timeshare but never came back to answer questions that were asked of him regarding his WG travel perks.

Eric's not talking about who he works for but is FB friends with Daniel.

I did not research any of this, it just popped out at me in reading some other FB threads.
 

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yay for more westgate salesfolk chiming in to hate the article =)

while it makes perfect sense, ive never actually heard a salesperson use upfront fee resale scammers as a rebuttal to folks that bring up resale in the first place.

its actually quite brilliant, if not very sad for consumers.
 
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Daniel is an off premises body snatcher for West Gate and started a conversation about wanting to buy a timeshare but never came back to answer questions that were asked of him regarding his WG travel perks.



Eric's not talking about who he works for but is FB friends with Daniel.



I did not research any of this, it just popped out at me in reading some other FB threads.


It doesnt take much to find Eric's employment info.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-strode/2a/975/253


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