Po'ipu Point Subdivision Announcement [merged]

[artringwald]

Here's the cultural impact assessment:

https://www.academia.edu/4923646/CIA_for_Makahuena

I like this part:

Although there are no valued cultural or traditional resources within the project area based on background research and interviews, future development of the property has the potential to adversely affect the exercise of traditional practices for subsistence related marine exploitation. This adverse effect can be mitigated by including explicit plans to ensure, and potentially enhance, access to the shoreline.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

If you noticed ... The developer did the EIR!

That's actually the norm. Only in the most significant projects does a government agency do the EIR.

Note that an EIR is only an informational document. Agencies may or may not use it for decision-making. When an applicant applies for a permit the issuing makes it's only review of information provided, and may request additional information than is in the EIR, and may require additional mitigation measures beyond what is proposed in the EIR. Or deny the project entirely if the measures proposed in the EIR are deemed inadequate and the applicant doesn't propose alternatives that will pass muster.

 

[post-it]

If no more Ocean Views everyone might as well book garden views and save the points.

 

[wilma]

I sent an email to the PoipuInfo email in the letter to the owners asking for the permit info and map. I was directed to the same website I previously mentioned with the 10 lots:

https://www.cbredealflow.com/handle...vHL1SGdbDDx1_6TXqAA0Zy7Ry1yaIKB93YXX39WJUn7pI

 

[artringwald]

Balancing Act

It's a couple of weeks old, but I just found this article from The Garden Island newspaper. If they stay true to their promised intentions, I'll be a happy camper. I love watching sunsets from the beacon, waves crashing through the sea arch, spouts of mist coming up from the mini blow hole, and turtles swimming in the cove. None of those would be possible if shoreline access was blocked.

Balancing Act by Darin Moriki - The Garden Island

A public access path, according to plans, would be provided along the periphery of the property and accessed by a public parking area along Pee Road. The private homes, meanwhile, would be separated from the public access area by a rock retaining wall.

“It is intended that there is going to be no development makai of the wall, and the intent is to provide access to the shoreline, so there is no intention to block people from accessing the shoreline,” Tom Schnell, principal and planner at Honolulu-based planning firm PBR Hawaii and Associates, Inc.

 

[artringwald]

Makahuena Point Subdivision

There's an updated sales brochure that gives a better idea of what they want to do with the land.

Makahuena Point Subdivision

 

[pedro47]

Here's the cultural impact assessment:

https://www.academia.edu/4923646/CIA_for_Makahuena

I like this part:

Is the cultural impact assessment like wet land projects in the United States? If you have the right kind of money in today's economy ;wetlands areas or cultural impact assessment does not mean anything any more. Flash the million dollars to right people and you can build.

 

[Poobah]

Po'ipu Point

This makes me ill! I still find it hard to believe that the County of Kaua'i would let this land be developed.

Maybe the strategy should be for our new owners to just buy the lots in front of Bldgs 4 and 6 and leave them undeveloped or make them into a private park for the resort.

Since they are appealing to the "rich and famous" you know these homes are not going to be one story, three bedroom ramblers. They are going to build up so potentially even the second floor units could have very little ocean view.

I am sure it will be several years before there will be any meaningful home construction on the point, so we can enjoy it while it lasts.

The next HOA meeting is going to be real interesting!!!!

Cheers,

Paul

 

[wilma]

According to a facebook diamond owners group and tripadvisor, the POP has now put up 10-12 ft high dust fencing along the perimeter and begun construction. One person on facebook says they have been dynamiting every day at 4 pm and the construction goes from 6 am until dark. Most oceanviews along this side of the resort have construction views.

 

[clifffaith]

Already fretting about our Jan 2018 reservation at Poipu. I'm hoping our wait list comes through at Worldmark Kapaa.

 

[artringwald]

We'll be there next month. I'll share plenty of pictures.

 

[pedro47]

Commercial zoning in Hawaii must be easy to approve this project from the environmental standards in our state.

 

[artringwald]

As promised, I took a bunch of pictures of the construction site. The wall is impressive, up to 8' high in spots. The good news is that you can still walk up to the beacon without going through the construction site, although for now, you can only access it from the east end near building 6. I wouldn't recommend walking near there while they're dynamiting. We're staying in 6-305, and our view of the ocean really isn't impeded, but lower floors may not see much of anything except the dust screen. Here's a link to 23 pictures.

https://artringwald.smugmug.com/Travel/Makahuena-Point-Subdivision/

Here's the view from one side of our lanai:

 

[pedro47]

Thanks for sharing your photos. That commercial project developer is going to spend some big bucks to improve and enchane that plot of land for construction (that is my prediction).

 

[artringwald]

What a difference a day makes! They took down the dust fence.

 

[wilma]

What a difference a day makes! They took down the dust fence.

Thanks for the pics. How is the noise?

 

[artringwald]

Thanks for the pics. How is the noise?

Not bad at all yesterday. Today Woody the Rock Pecker is busy up on the hill, but the worst is the backup beepers on the trucks. Along with the crashing of the waves, and the breezes blowing, I think it makes an interesting symphony of sounds... except when you're trying to take a nap.

 

[pedro47]

When will this construction project be completely finished?

 

[artringwald]

When will this construction project be completely finished?

According to the CIRI web site:

The bulk of the work will involve grading the site to make the lots buildable, along with installation of numerous rock retaining and privacy walls. This work will take place Jan. 1–March 31, 2017, to accommodate the breeding season of migratory shorebirds (April 1–Dec. 31), when no ground disturbance construction may take place in close proximity to their underground nests. That leaves a narrow three-month window in which to accomplish the majority of the work. The actual roadway improvements and utilities for the project will be finished just prior to the expected June 2017 completion date.

 

[pedro47]

Will this be the first construction project to be completed on time. What are the betting odds against them completing the majority of the work on time? They will have to work at least 12 hours day to complete this project between Jan. 1 - March 31, 2017.
Did the contractor or developer tell the migratory shorebirds that there are going to be some changes after this project is completed. Just joking.

 

[pedro47]

The project states they are going to build ten luxury homes at this project sites. Lots 1 - 6 will directly have impact on the resort views. What will be the median price for the homes at this project site ?

 

[artringwald]

Will this be the first construction project to be completed on time. What are the betting odds against them completing the majority of the work on time? They will have to work at least 12 hours day to complete this project between Jan. 1 - March 31, 2017.

They've made quite a bit of progress just in the 3 days since we got here. They work from 7 to 5, 6 days a week. I'll take some more pictures before we leave.

 

[artringwald]

The project states they are going to build ten luxury homes at this project sites. Lots 1 - 6 will directly have impact on the resort views. What will be the median price for the homes at this project site ?

Any guesses? I'll guess $3M for the land and $2M for the house. I'm also guessing 10 years before the first 70% are built.

 

[pedro47]

Any guesses? I'll guess $3M for the land and $2M for the house. I'm also guessing 10 years before the first 70% are built.

Thanks for the update information. My prediction: Once the first two (2) ocean front lots / homes are sold and build. I bet the other lots will be sold in less than five years.

 

[artringwald]

The workers will get off today: