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Are all these timeshare phone call companies violating Do Not Call?

Discussion in 'Buying, Selling, Renting' started by akp, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. akp

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    I get 3-4 calls a week from the guys offering to rent out my timeshare for ridiculous amounts of money. I always ignore the calls but occasionally one of the kids answers and I lose a minute of my life to these goofballs.

    Today I was reading someone else's post and I realized that if I'm on the Do Not Call registry, and I'm not doing business with these guys, are they violating Do Not Call? I'm going to do some research now about how to turn them in if so, but if anyone knows or has experience with making these people stop calling by reporting them, please post.
     
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    I feel for you. We are on the do not call list AND we have one of those devices that automatically hangs up if it is an auto-dial call. Its great - I don't even have to check caller id any more before answering the phone.

    elaine
     
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    I get these calls every now and then. Usually I just hang up. Today I listened to the whole thing, about 1 minute. At the end it said "Press 8 to be removed". We will see!!
     
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    Sometimes, you may actually be doing business with their network and not even be aware.. It's not unusual for there to be very confusing relationships between what may seem like totally different companies, which ultimately creates an intricate web of networked groups. By doing business with one entity, you may have unknowingly agreed that your personal information can be shared and distributed among their "network" of companies..

    It can often be VERY enlightening to research businesses by the principle partners.. For example-

    Visit this page with info posted about Timeshare Relief.
    http://www.cubestat.com/www.timesharerelief.com

    It's shows the name of Chad Newbold. Then, perform a corporation search on www.sunbiz.org by officer or registered agent. Write down the company names that come up along with other company officers and agents that are listed.. Then, search the other names you found and add those companies to your list.. More searches lead to even more companies and even more names.. You'll be amazed at how many you actually end up finding!

    Here are a few examples...

    BOATCLUB.COM, INC
    BOLD VENTURES, LLC
    BULLISH INVESTMENTS, LLC
    CAREFREE JOURNEYS, LLC
    MADECCA PARK INVESTMENTS, LLC
    MADECCA PARK, INC
    MAGIC VACATION TITLE, LLC.
    MNR HOLDINGS, LLC
    MNT DEVELOPMENT, LLC
    PREMIER SITE ACQUISITIONS, LLC
    PROMISE VENTURES, LLC
    QUID, LLC
    RENT-A-WEEK, INCORPORATED
    ROBERTS LAW GROUP
    SCOTT ROBERTS ESCROW & CLOSING CO.
    SQI 1031 EXCHANGE SERVICES, LLC
    SQI 1031 TITLE HOLDINGS, LLC
    STRATEGIS COMPANY, LLC
    THE STRATEGIS COMPANIES, INC
    THE TIMESHARE GROUP, LLC
    TIMESHARE CLOSING SERVICES, INC.
    TIMESHARE PARTNERS, LLC
    TIMESHAREWEB.COM, LLC
    TITLE OUTLET, INC
    TRAVEL EXCLUSIVE, LLC
    UNCLE MIKES INVENTORY, INC
    VACATION INNOVATIONS, LLC
    VACATION PARTNERSHIP, INC
    VANDER GROUP, INC
    VESCO GROUP,LLC
    VESCO SERVICES,LLC
    VI NETWORK, INC.
    VI NETWORK, LLC
    VIN BG, LLC
    VIN NY NY, LLC
    VIN WG, LLC
    VIN WVO,LLC
    ZAC, LLC

    Can you imagine how many you might find if you could also search other states and even other countries?

    Now- there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with successful entrepreneurs having many different business ventures- and one venture may have absolutely no working relationship with another.. The idea of a successful "renaissance man" with a wide range of interests and knowledge has long been a very respected trait in our culture!

    But- if you are simply considering the possibility that client information can possibly be shared among a network of interrelated businesses, it certainly seems possible that a timeshare owner could have accepted a privacy notice and unknowingly given permission for networked affiliates to contact them!

    If the calls are really upsetting you, by all means try all reasonable and legal means to stop them! But, you may find that stopping them isn't easy at all.. It may not even be feasible to expect to be able to avoid them unless you live in a bubble with no contact to the outside world!

    As a consumer, your best option is always to try and educate yourself about the product or industry BEFORE YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY! When you get a call or email for a product or service you don't feel has any value to you, simply say no and hang up- or hit that magic X that deletes the message! If you think the product or service may have some value- take you time.. Research, learn, ask questions.. One amazing thing about sales- those one-time offers are usually still available a few weeks later!

    Consumers should always remember that it's not unusual for a "free" offer, a "free" website, or even an "advocacy", "consumer help", or "complaint" site to in reality be a lead generation system for a much more profitable business model...
     
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    If you happen to talk one of them, you can ask to be put on their do not call list. They need to have one. If they do not have one, you can report them to the FTC and sue them in small claims court for $500.
     
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    Richardm, you have a good point.

    Three key points from the text of the FCC page:

    - An established business relationship (EBR) is only in effect for 18 months after your last transaction or 3 months after your last inquiry.

    - Your request (to be removed from a company's call list) should also stop calls from affiliated entities if you would reasonably expect them to be included, given the identification of the caller and the product being advertised.

    - The Caller ID display must include a phone number that you can call during regular business hours to ask that the company no longer call you. This rule applies even if you have an EBR with the company, and even if you have not registered your home phone number(s) on the national Do-Not-Call list
     
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    Great info akp! Thanks for this post!

    Please continue to share what you find out and how long the FCC system takes to respond. I'm sure this thread will be plagued with "Sue Them!" responses that while perhaps being therapeutic, aren't either reasonable or viable for the average timeshare owner.
     
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    "Device"???

    Please forgive my ignorance, but can you further describe in a bit more explanatory detail this "device", where / how it's sold, its' approximate cost? Would appreciate a little education on this. Thanks in advance...
     
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    Rick from Timeshare Resale HUNG UP on me!

    I got the first timeshare call since I read all the do-not-call literature, so I was prepared. When a guy named Rick called today, I immediately said "I'm on the do not call list; may I have your call back number?" and he hung up on me!

    I called the number on the caller ID, got a nice rep, explained to her that I would be filing a complaint if I get another call, and asked to be removed from their list. She was very apologetic about my being hung up on and removed me immediately from the list.

    We'll see if that works :)

    Anita
     
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    Annoying Calls

    I get these also. And, the call that says you can punch "8" and be removed. NOT. I have done that several times and have received the same call multiple times since then.
     
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    I have a cordless phone which allows me to block up to 20 numbers of my choice.
    When the phone rings, if I don't recognize the Caller-ID, I let it go to voice-mail.
    If there's no message or its not someone I know, [:plonk:] into the blocked call
    bucket it goes. So far, I actually only have five spots used up.
     
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    I'm having a lot of fun with my timeshare calls now :)

    I just got my 2nd call since I learned the law. GMAC this time.

    I immediately asked him "I am on the do not call list. Are you aware that this call violates the Do Not Call legislation?" He answered in a very nervous sounding voice and promised to take me immediately off their list. I was very polite, but I explained that I feel I'm being very patient in giving his company this free pass, but if I get another call from them I will file a complaint. (They pay a hefty fine if they're found to be in violation.)

    While he wasn't rude enough to hang up, he could not get off the phone with me fast enough :)

    Can't wait for the next one because I realized today I'm being silly in giving any of them a free pass. Next guy gets nailed with a formal complaint :)

    Anita
     
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    Just had another ding dong hang up on me.

    This call was from Island One Resorts, a new one. I get the same companies over and over). The launched into a lengthy and extremely "too good to be true" spiel about getting 4 weeks of vacation at 4 or 5 star resorts for only $199.

    I interrupted and asked where she got my name and number. She claimed she got them from Bluegreen (where I own). I said I doubted that, informed her I'm on do not call, and asked for her callback number.

    Just like the guy a few weeks ago, she hung up on me! I called the number from my caller id and reached the company, though the message was very very vague - it didn't identify the company by name. It did say to leave your information on the machine if you want to be removed from their mailing list.

    I just filled out the Do Not Call violation form for this one :)

    Anita
     
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    Still looking...

    Got no prior response regarding the alleged "device" which reportedly screens and hangs up on "auto-dialed" calls, so I am trying again...

    I have yet to find anyone who has any idea what I'm even talking about when I inquire in the electronics / telephone equipment departments of various stores. Was the posting just a joke I naively fell for? :shrug:
     
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    We have never had any calls at all from timeshare people in the 23 years we have owned timeshares.
     
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    Lucky guy...

    You, sir, are clearly living a charmed life... ;)
     
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    telezapper

    I am so sorry that I lost track of this thread. The device that we have is called a telezapper. I remember that we found about it from a friend. It is available on the internet at www.telezapper.com. I do not remember the price, but I believe that it is about $50 and you can buy it directly from the company or through Amazon.

    Hope this helps!

    elaine
     
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    Perhaps you just never answer!

    I'll try calling right now! I don't want you to feel neglected.. :hi:
     
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    It does no good to ignore the calls. They have your number on an automatic dialer and will continue to call until you answer.

    What works for me is to say, "I'm on the Do-Not-Call List. I have your number on my caller ID. May I please have your name so that I can report you?" They always hang up and seldom call back :hysterical:
     
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    Got another one today :)

    This was TN Consultants at 954-482-4075.

    This was the "let me help you get your money back after you were taken advantage of by those guys who call all the time" kind. So if the other guys are sleazy, these are double sleazy.

    I told this guy I was on Do Not Call and that I report all of the timeshare guys that call. He said "but your number is available online". I asked him WHERE online exactly? Like Google? he said, no just online.

    Whatever.

    I reported him on the FCC Do Not Call website.

    I did google HIS phone number and saw that it is a known timeshare scam phone number. They charge you $200 for some book that teaches you how to ask for your money back.

    I also saw a Craiglist ad with that phone number recruiting for "marketing consultants". I pity the poor fool who answers that ad...
     

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