I love reading these ping pong posts comparing everyone speculation and calling others out on what they do or do not know but this is giving me a headache watching all these good folks get wound up, betting and daring each other about total speculation. So let's all take a moment and be honest for a second - no one KNOWS what IS or is NOT going to happen tomorrow or next year at Wyndham (and I'm including Wyndham folks).
A lot of respectable folks are throwing down a lot of shade on total hypothesis. No matter how many times they have talked about Voyager at meetings Ron (whom I have lots of respect for) - it STILL is not here. FACT, It has missed EVERY deadline which has been stated to you. FACT. HOW do you as a VERY respectable person continue to believe what you are told? Are they going to launch something called voyager which will have something to do with a new booking system YES some day they will. Will they change the website YES. Will they change the backend, Maybe. But wanting to bet that Voyager is coming is like me saying there will be nuclear war one day - of course there will be, but when and how will it impact everyone and NONE of us know that and how the hell can anyone trust what we've been told based on their abysmal track record from corporate to sales.
1. The new preview says stay tuned for what will be launched next year and that entry on the website is dated February of THIS year so we need to be looking 2018 at the earliest based on this FACT. Of course I don't see how anyone, including Wyndham can believe what they say or print. Either way we know they are not even claiming this year.
2. Voyager has been coming since 2011. I only know that dates as it was the first time it was first mentioned to me in an owner update and I almost swallowed the bait on an upgrade to the 'vip points going away except on developer purchases). Let's all agree as FACT that this, whatever it is, has been a LONG time delayed, hence my reason for doubt #1 above as to even next year.
3. Wyndham has serious accounting/inventory/point issues that they clearly cannot figure out. This is a fact based on the thousands of posts in this thread alone. No one, NO ONE (not even the idiots at Wyndham) would roll out a new software package unless they can determine and resolve the problems being created in inventory for fear that they will replicate over again. AND before anyone says it - of course someone is going to say- "well the new system will probably be the fix for that"-- the fix for WHAT? They don't know what's wrong. Now I know this seems far fetched but remember we are talking about WYNDHAM - of course they don't know what's going on. They've told all these people they don't have a resolution to the problem, and we've confirmed it's still going on. Even Ron who has 'settled' is still locked out, can't do anything and has no explanation from Wyndham as to what happened or what they have done to correct it on the many different reasons everyone may or may not be in their own lockout problem. FACT: They can't fix what they don't know is wrong.
4. They just had a major leadership change. This was all birthed under old leadership. Anyone who has ever worked in a corporate or military world knows that when the top changes, things down stream change. The new guy/gal wants to put his name on it and have ownership. God knows we have all seen this with Wyndham over the years. Fact: New guy at top, things are going to get reviewed AGAIN.
5. None of us --NO ONE has any clue about anything going on in Wyndham corporate. Don't claim to and for God sakes Robert, and I do like your posts, PLEASE do not believe ANYTHING a VC or OC tells you. Remember these are the same folks who will tell you that Cancel Re-book is not allowed, until you call back and get another on the phone. They are the same ones who will tell you that you cannot place a hold on a deluxe room rental with do not move, until you call back and get another that does know this is allowed. These are the same folks who will tell you that cancelled credit pool points get a new expiration date of the longest date when they go back in pool after cancellation, or that they go back to the original date, or that go back to the original contract and sometimes will admit they don't know. FACT: VC and OC folks are a total hit and miss for accuracy and honesty.
In summary - none of us knows anything (I don't care HOW MANY MEETINGS we've all been to and been told this is coming) so let's understand and all agree that we are speculating as to what might or might not be. No one knows anymore than anyone else. Everyone can dream and that is what each of us are doing.
Ron you have made this point and I think it the golden thought for me but I'm going to expand upon it --- for many years Wyndham has been trying to overhaul their system with no success. Each year the system wears down a little more, rules change and they try to make amends. The name voyager sits upon a department directory in Orlando. There is a preview website that is not functional beyond providing information in a different modernized look. There is a post on this same website saying that the full roll out will be next year - in a post dated 2017, so this MUST mean 2018. Lots of people are having problems, which we know that as of this month are still happening. And let us not forget what started TUGBBS - timeshare people lie. (Sometimes knowingly and sometimes just repeating what they've been told).
Finally - who cares what they roll out? I mean all this talk about limiting VIP points and cancel/rebook and waiting list and one and one - boo! I mean there isn't poop any of us can do about it, right? When it happens, just like everything else, smart people will find a new plan and a new way to make money. Or we can all move over to another time share company - or God forbid, we go back to doing what we were doing before Wyndham.
This last fact: there has NEVER been a law passed for which a loop hole was not also created. We will all be ok, maybe better, maybe worse. Maybe we will still own Wyndham, maybe we will all give it back and go do something else. Really - was it that long ago. Do none of you remember a life before Wyndham? IF the worst case scenario is that you sell out or quit, is that really that awful? If you think so, then I need you to come with me to the children's hospital for my next volunteer day.
Now BACK to speculating