Buying UDI points

[Campbell Vaughn]

good idea or no?

 

[breezez]

good idea or no?

Depends on what you want and where you want to go. MF vary so if you are not to worried about ARP just buy low cost MF points to get what you need. Just be careful to buy only what you think you will use.

 

[ronparise]

sure, why not

you have 4 choices, UDI, CWA, converted weeks, and affiliates. and except CWA, and there are multiple resorts to chose from in each group. There are only two reasons to choose one resort , or CWA over the others, ARP and maintenance fees.

 

[Joe33426]

good idea or no?

I think that UDI is a good idea versus CWA. There has been a recent push here suggesting that CWA is a good way to go, touting the benefit of availability of ARP at many resorts. But I pay much lower maintenance fees than CWA, maybe $1K less per year than if all my points were CWA. I opted for low cost MF resorts, because we really don't need ARP and anywhere we wanted to go has been available at 10-months. But if you need something very specific during high demand time, then UDI is definitely a better way to go that CWA.

 

[vacationhopeful]

I brought for ARP in the early years of owning....even buying a 1,000,000 point ARP contract (resale of course).
You and your adult family members need to realize buying for a 5 year window of time is too short ... esp as the costs of owning & selling these contracts seem to increase far faster than the CPI.

Think of buying that fast, cool 2 seat sports car ... the depreciation, increasing repair costs, high insurance bill, garage costs and poor gas mileage .... and why YOU only 2 or 3 years later are selling it. And how much money that car ended up costing you ... compared to renting it for the 4+/- cool events you used it at.

And am I still happy with that contract? Might be actually worth MORE now with the contract limit allowed under each member number plus its ARP location.

At least I can say, I have a 1,000,000 ... just wish is was in green backs verses Wyndham points.

 

[Campbell Vaughn]

UDI and CWA... they don't both give ARP at 13 months??

 

[ronparise]

UDI and CWA... they don't both give ARP at 13 months??

sure they do

CWA at a list of about 70 resorts
UDI at the deeded resort

 

[Joe33426]

sure they do

CWA at a list of about 70 resorts
UDI at the deeded resort

CWA isn't supposed to be unlimited ARP at the 70 resorts, right? If WYN is accounting for it correctly. How much LBM is in CWA? Can all those deed be used in one season, say Mardi Gras?

 

[ronparise]

CWA isn't supposed to be unlimited ARP at the 70 resorts, right? If WYN is accounting for it correctly. How much LBM is in CWA? Can all those deed be used in one season, say Mardi Gras?

there are a limited number of CWA owned units at each resort.. at La belle Maison its about 25%, at least it was when I last asked. (actually I didnt ask, A salesman left his book on the table and i looked it up)

and yes in the ARP period you can make as many reservations as you have points to support. The practical limit used to depend whether of not you can get through on the phones and how fast your VC can make the reservations. Soon it will be how fast can you make the reservations on your computer. .. the 140 rooms at La belle Maison are usually gone in 10 minutes,

 

[cayman01]

Essentially here is the way you want to look at it. CWA gives you ARP at 70 resorts. UDI gives it to you at one. So the purpose of buying the UDI is two fold. LOW maintenance fees and ARP at a key resort where you only have to compete for ARP against other UDI owners there. CWA, as Ron stated own a LIMITED amount of points at most resorts. So, for example, say CWA owns 10,000,000 points at ABC resorts, and there are also 10,000,000 UDI points at that resort. If you own CWA you are competing against ALL CWA owners for those points (and how many is that? 150,000? more? less?) while if you are a UDI owner you only compete against the other UDI owners of that resort. A considerably smaller number.

Also, there are no CWA resorts in Hawaii. Not really a problem nowadays except for Shearwater maybe, but might be a consideration down the road.

 

[Joe33426]

Essentially here is the way you want to look at it. CWA gives you ARP at 70 resorts. UDI gives it to you at one. So the purpose of buying the UDI is two fold. LOW maintenance fees and ARP at a key resort where you only have to compete for ARP against other UDI owners there. CWA, as Ron stated own a LIMITED amount of points at most resorts. So, for example, say CWA owns 10,000,000 points at ABC resorts, and there are also 10,000,000 UDI points at that resort. If you own CWA you are competing against ALL CWA owners for those points (and how many is that? 150,000? more? less?) while if you are a UDI owner you only compete against the other UDI owners of that resort. A considerably smaller number.

Also, there are no CWA resorts in Hawaii. Not really a problem nowadays except for Shearwater maybe, but might be a consideration down the road.

No guarantees that you're going to get the reservation you want under either ownership, but chances are much higher under UDI at that specific resort versus CWA at that same resort. That's all I was trying to illustrate to the OP. So, if OP wants something very high demand and wants to ensure occupancy at that resort (e.g. Bonnet Creek at Christmas, Dells in summer, Myrtle Beach 4th of July, Mardi Gras, etc.) or needs large unit 4-bedroom presidential at Myrtle beach in the summer, maybe UDI is better than CWA for ARP.

 

[chapjim]

No guarantees that you're going to get the reservation you want under either ownership, but chances are much higher under UDI at that specific resort versus CWA at that same resort. That's all I was trying to illustrate to the OP. So, if OP wants something very high demand and wants to ensure occupancy at that resort (e.g. Bonnet Creek at Christmas, Dells in summer, Myrtle Beach 4th of July, Mardi Gras, etc.) or needs large unit 4-bedroom presidential at Myrtle beach in the summer, maybe UDI is better than CWA for ARP.

It's pretty safe to say that a summer 4BR Presidential unit in Myrtle Beach (SeaWatch and Ocean Boulevard, which have the only 4BR Pres units in MB) will not be available for "regular owners," i.e., everyone except those who are Presidential Reserve owners at one of those two resorts.

 

[uscav8r]

It's pretty safe to say that a summer 4BR Presidential unit in Myrtle Beach (SeaWatch and Ocean Boulevard, which have the only 4BR Pres units in MB) will not be available for "regular owners," i.e., everyone except those who are Presidential Reserve owners at one of those two resorts.

Are those Pres units, or Pres Reserve? PR owners only have 14 month ARP for PR units, correct? If so, then straight Pres units still can't be booked by PR, CWA, or CWS owners until 13 months for a given resort.


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[paxsarah]

MB resorts are not PR, so the 4BRs are Presidential, not Presidential Reserve. At least as I understand it, as a resale owner. I booked a 4BR Pres for Christmas at 13 months to the day.